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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-30-2007, 06:18 PM Thread Starter
 
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I was Shocked !!!

I work for a Vet and last week we had a 8 year old Havanese come in to be spayed. The owner had purchased her from a breeder when she was done breeding her. She was a very sweet girl that broke our hearts. The breeder had her De-Barked !!!!!! All she could do was make a breathy little sound that made all of us want to cry, The owner went on to tell us that this breeder has all her adult havs de-barked. We were shocked since we don't know any vets that would do this !!!!!!!! I certainly hope this is not a common practice. The odd thing is, I was in contact with this particular breeder when I was looking for a Havanese. For some reason, I decided not to purchase a dog from her. Gut instinct I guess.
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-30-2007, 07:22 PM
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I am not saying it's a good way to get your dog to stop barking, and Lord knows I have that issue with Ricky, but I thought it was interesting to check out the facts/myths and such about debarking, so here you go......

http://www.dogpatch.org/sheltie/debark.html


This one is very intersting!
http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/a...debark_qna.htm

I have heard a de-barked dog once and of course, my gut reaction was total pity for the poor thing. I realize that is only a human response and that the dog might very well have no idea what we're all sad about ! lol Still..... it does sound strange.




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I know a few people who have debarked their dogs (Hav breeders included). It has an awful sound, but they do have their reasons. I don't think I could ever do it. And a debarked dog definitely catches my attention. It has a strange sound, but it sure isn't silent.
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I haven't known any havanese but I know some agility shelties that have had it done. It makes me sad too. I think it takes away from their way of communication especially to other dogs. I have a yippy dog- my maltese. But that is part of my dog's personality. I have done a lot of training with her- even to the point of during her terrible two's, we used lemon juice! I just can't imagine taking away her ability to communicate. I knew I was signing up for a yappy dog when I got the maltese and that is part of her energy I love about her.

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One time on the big list someone posted about having their dog de-barked. I was horrified also. Dawna and I talked about it, and we were just waiting for this person to get one of the famous list attacks from everyone. But it didn't happen! Instead all kinds of people/ mostly breeders were posting about having done the same thing. I was SHOCKED!

Im sure SOMETIMES it MIGHT be necessary, but I would think it would be rare. I would imagine some people do this because they have a lot of dogs and live in a suburb with neighbors, but seems to me thats not a good enough reason.
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Well I wouldn't do it either. But I can understand why some breeders would. You have to remember many of these breeders have 20-30 dogs in their homes. When you have one that barks to peel paint, the others follow suit.

I'd get rid of all those dogs before I'd debark...........but i haven't walked a mile in their shoes either.

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Like Amanda,I've heard of people de-barking shelties.In fact,there is a sheltie breeder local here that has all her shelties de-barked.Of course she lives in town,and to me that's kinda stupid......why would you breed med.size "barky"dogs and live in town?Wouldn't common sense have you live in the country or something,so they can run and bark etc.?Needless to say,we went to the eastern part of the state to get Vinnie.I also wouldn't want to get a dog de-barked myself,but I have heard of a few legimate reasons people have(I guess).I can not imagine a havanese though.........

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We have a debarked collie in our neighborhood & I find it very sad!! I just feel that barking is a defense for a dog, what if they got out & could not bark to scare off preditors??? I agree with Greg, I would have found homes for the dogs, if I could not tolerate their barking. Poor little things
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It does create an odd sound but I doubt the dog even knows that he isn't barking as loud as he once was. My father-in-law's Yorkie was born with a bark that sounds exactly like a de-barked dog. Her litter mate has a normal bark.

I don't think I would debark my dogs but I honestly think its much less cruel than docking ears or tails, especially when I read that one method of docking tails is for the breeder to put a rubber band around a newborn's tail until the tissue dies and falls off. Now, THAT'S cruel, in my opinion as much as surgically removing part of a tail or ear to meet a breed standard.

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My goodness how cruel is that. Dogs are suppose to bark to let you know they don't like something or that something is out of place or weird or that they want attention among other reasons. Having a dog that doesn't bark, LOL! Never would I do that.
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