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HCA Rescue 8 34.78%
HRI Rescue 8 34.78%
Both HCA and HRI 6 26.09%
Another org. or idea ( please state in thread) 1 4.35%
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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 05-31-2007, 12:49 PM Thread Starter
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Which Rescue?

If we make some stuff to make money for rescue I was curious which one we should donate to? I already spoke with Helen, and say the Canada rescue should most def. get some help. We have lots of Canadians here and shirts sold there would def go to their rescue.

But here we have two rescue orginizations. And I do not know all the politics involved. I do know there was one, and they split and there was a big fight and now they do not see eye to eye. I even think HCA rescue had to sue HRI to get some of their money back. This is only what I have heard through the grapevine.

From what I understand HCA rescue does not rescue mixes in shelters. They rescue either full Havs or if say an owner dies and the Hav is left.
HRI will rescue mixes or part havs, if they believe it to have any HAV.

I do NOT know how I feel about this. Its so hard to figure out, 1) if a dog has any Hav in it as they all look shaggy strays in the shelters. And 2) are they spending a lot of money on dogs that are not even Havanese 3) maybe thats ok if they are, because the dogs are so dang helpless and they need a home too.

Im not sure if HCA rescue even needs the money, if they do not rescue as many dogs? How often would that situation arrive?

SO who knows more about this? Which organizations do you want to donate to? I started a poll for those who dont want their opinion public. I thought I would let you all decide since this a community and we will do it as a joint effort. This will be the money from the tshirts we are making here:

http://www.havaneseforum.com/showthread.php?t=904

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And I just wanted to add I have no idea what I'm going to vote for. Ill probably listen to what yall have to add. Im sure some of you know more than me on this topic. I was impressed when I dealt with HRI to go see Lola in the shelter and how much they seemed to take an interest in doing something.
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I also have mixed feelings about this, as I feel all puppies deserve a chance, and if HCA ONLY rescues full Havs, then you are right - there cannot be that many & most likely dont need the $ as much. So I think I would vote for HRI. And then whichever Canadian group.
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Hi Melissa. I applied with HRI approx.6 weeks ago & i have not heard anything about my application. They havent even contacted my references yet. So i cant say much about my experience at this point. I did apply with HALO and was contacted right away. I really did like dealing with them. They, however, mainly rescue dogs/puppies that are up for auction to puppy mills & they take surrenders too. A lot of them spend their own money to get as many as they can from auctions. Then they stay in foster homes (families with dogs) until can be adopted.

The lady from HALO said that some dont agree with doing that because that just supports the mills. But they state they will rescue any Hav that they can to find a good home for them. I am thankful that they do that.

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I volunteer with HRI and I have seen where the rescue dogs come from-it all depends on the situation- obviously dogs don't have papers attached to them. I understand when people donate they want funds to go to Havanese and not for other purposes. I can say that HRI does take in Hav and Hav mixes. I don't know HCA policy and how many dogs they get etc. I actually don't know even about the split and the reasons behind it. I just decided after I got Dora that I wanted to help with the Havanese breed and talked with Lu and Stacy who are very kind hearted people and I put in an application to volunteer.

So far, I have personally interacted with 3 HRI dogs in the last year. One had AKC papers with him when I picked him up, one was from a shelter so no papers as they found her as a stray but traced her microchip to petland, another one I fostered and the family didn't have his papers with him when they turned him in but what should I do?. I truly think HRI does use rescue funds for Havanese though.

I actually contacted HALO when I was first looking at havanese. Right off the bat they told me what they do and I couldn't see the logic behind purchasing puppies from puppy mills. I don't think puppy mill brokers care who purchases the dog and they just care about the money. I just think the logic behind the brokers eyes is 14 havanese puppies were sold this week, lets produce 25 next week. Not well HALO bought 6 and petland 8 so we will only produce 8 again. I give those volunteers credit for what they do- it takes a very strong person to not break down at a dog auction, the dogs they get in and have to train, especially adult dogs, and the things they have to see.

Luvmy... was there a dog you were interested in or felt your family would be a good match for? If you want to send me a PM about your name and state, I can check to make sure it was received. HRI doesn't match a family with a dog rather they match a dog with his/her right family. I really think their policy behind this is a good one and has truly helped the dogs go to their forever families. It is just hard for people who want to adopt right away and I completely understand. When I had my rescue, we had a lot of applications as soon as his picture went up on petfinder but I knew his personality (kind of like what breeders do to match the right puppy with the right family) and knew he wouldn't do as well in a home with people who were couch potatoes, or had little ones, and would probably end back up in rescue as he was a high energy dog.

I know there is an older gal right now in rescue that they want to go to a home as the only dog. It is also important to remember there are limited dogs that come in and not many are under the age of 2. So depending what you put on your application, it can take HRI over a year to have a dog with those characteristics then there are lots of applications for young dogs.

I just thought I would kind of let you know some of the behind the scenes stuff with HRI a group I am very familar with and obviously passionate about!

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Thats great information Amanda, thank you!
I have to say I do not agree with purchasing puppy mill dogs. I know its heart breaking, but like you state, they dont care. They just bring more in. So it almost adds to the problem rather than solving it.
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I definately can see your point about the mills. I just like to know those sweet little things are not suffering. I just could not imagine my sweet little Tripp and Dreamer in a mill. I certainly could not go to an auction & see their little faces in cages. I would max out every credit card i probably had just to get them home .

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I thought HCA rescue and HRI were the same....

when I went to one page it linked me to the other. Is this not true?

Can someone link me to HCA please? Thanks.

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If we make some stuff to make money for rescue I was curious which one we should donate to? I already spoke with Helen, and say the Canada rescue should most def. get some help. We have lots of Canadians here and shirts sold there would def go to their rescue.

But here we have two rescue orginizations. And I do not know all the politics involved. I do know there was one, and they split and there was a big fight and now they do not see eye to eye. I even think HCA rescue had to sue HRI to get some of their money back. This is only what I have heard through the grapevine.

From what I understand HCA rescue does not rescue mixes in shelters. They rescue either full Havs or if say an owner dies and the Hav is left.
HRI will rescue mixes or part havs, if they believe it to have any HAV.

I do NOT know how I feel about this. Its so hard to figure out, 1) if a dog has any Hav in it as they all look shaggy strays in the shelters. And 2) are they spending a lot of money on dogs that are not even Havanese 3) maybe thats ok if they are, because the dogs are so dang helpless and they need a home too.

Im not sure if HCA rescue even needs the money, if they do not rescue as many dogs? How often would that situation arrive?

SO who knows more about this? Which organizations do you want to donate to? I started a poll for those who dont want their opinion public. I thought I would let you all decide since this a community and we will do it as a joint effort. This will be the money from the tshirts we are making here:

http://www.havaneseforum.com/showthread.php?t=904
The HCA is the Havanese Parent Club here in the US tasked with the protection of the Havanese breed. It "does all in its power to protect and advance the interests of the breed." This includes Rescue of purebred Havanese.

I would suggest this forum is a part of that "advance the interest of the breed" even though it doesn't "belong" to the HCA. Havanese owners and future owners have come together to protect and advance the interests of the breed.

HRI has decided to protect the interest havanese mixes (or something that may look like it is related to a havanese). Quite frankly, so does the ASPCA. If we are going to raise money for havanese rescue, then I think we should support the rescue efforts of both the Canadian and US breed clubs. If we are just trying to rescue ANY dog, then raise funds for HRI and your local ASPCA.
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Looks like polls still breed trolls.

AKC is all about purebred dogs. Parent clubs are also about purebred dogs. I copied and pasted this from the AKC site
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Every breed recognized by the American Kennel Club has a National or Parent Club that was formed for that breed. The parent club is responsible for the preservation, protection and welfare of that particular breed. The AKC believes that the Parent Clubs are the best contacts for anyone looking for information on a particular breed or purchasing a puppy of that breed. They can direct you to breeders of the individual breed in your state or region. They also have an abundance of excellent information and important facts that all owners of that breed should be aware of. Use the Breeder Referral search to find the Parent Club contact for the breed you're interested in.

Parent Clubs and local breed clubs also sponser Rescue Groups for purebred dogs in need of new homes. Use the Rescue Group search to explore this option

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HRI also does very worthwhile work but don't expect the parent club to be about anything but purebreds. Both are worthy of help.
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