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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 06-19-2009, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
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ACVB, AVSAB, SVBT re: Cesar Millan

American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior
www.AVSABonline.org
June 11, 2009
The executive board of the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior
(AVSAB) is deeply troubled to learn that Merial, a leader in the veterinary
healthcare industry, is using Cesar Millan in a promotional campaign for
Heartgard and Frontline. We are even more disturbed to find that Merial is
cross-promoting Mr. Millan's behavior video as part of this campaign. Merial's
executives may not be aware of the fact that the American College of Veterinary
Behaviorists (ACVB; www.dacvb.org), the American Veterinary Society of Animal
Behavior (AVSAB; www.avsabonline.org) and the Society of Veterinary Behavior
Technicians (SVBT; www.svbt.org) have uniformly spoken out against the
coercive, “dominance”-based techniques employed by Mr. Millan on his television
show "The Dog Whisperer."
At best, the show is entertaining but misleading to pet owners. At worst, Mr.
Millan's techniques and misinformation have contributed to increased aggression
and anxiety or resulted in physical injury to the pet and/or pet owner. As
practicing veterinarians, we all unfortunately have seen many cases of the latter.
Merial claims to "enhance the health, well-being, and performance of animals.”
Asking veterinarians to recommend that their clients seek behavior information
from Mr. Millan speaks otherwise. In these difficult economic times, it may be
understandable that Merial would want to use a celebrity to advertise its products
in a direct-to-consumer fashion. However, had Merial taken the time to
investigate, it would have found that Mr. Millan's philosophy runs counter to the
standard-of-care promoted by veterinary behaviorists and taught at veterinary
schools.
For reference, we have attached AVSAB’s position statements on the “Use of
Punishment in Behavior Modification in Animals” and “Dominance Theory in
Behavior Modification in Animals”. You will find that these statements are based
in scientific research and do not support the techniques Mr. Millan promotes on
his show. We would also be happy to provide you with additional peer-reviewed
references indicating that the training methods televised on “The Dog Whisperer”
often lead to increased aggression and human injury.
American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior
www.AVSABonline.org
We are deeply saddened that Merial's executives are not more supportive of the
veterinary behavior community and its efforts to promote effective, scientificallybased,
humane training methods. We remain concerned that your company's
support of Mr. Millan’s controversial training methods through the distribution of
his video and financial support of his show will contribute to the number of
difficult dogs and injured owners that we have to eventually console, counsel,
and reeducate.
Perhaps Merial would like to support our efforts to counteract the negative impact
of this unfortunate marketing choice that may ultimately serve to alienate
educated veterinarians, dog trainers, and owners alike. We would welcome the
opportunity to further discuss this issue with Merial.
Sincerely,
E. Kathryn Meyer, VMD (President)
John Ciribassi, DVM, DACVB (Immediate Past President)
Karen Sueda, DVM, DACVB (President Elect)
Kari Krause, DVM
Kelly Morgan, DVM
Valli Parthasarathy, PhD, DVM
Sophia Yin, DVM MS
Laurie Bergman, VMD, DACVB

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Cesar Milan does not practice dog training but rather dog physcology. I happen to believe in his techniques of dog physcology.

Sounds like a bunch of "hokey" to me...but people can form their own opinions. I just find it amazing how people like to throw a bunch of crap and see if any of it sticks,especially when that person has been successful. Sad that the world is like that...

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Well I cant say much on this as I never really watch Cesar but every dog trainer I have talked to or trained under cant stand him.

Julie I think you may have hit it on the head, he is not a trainer but but maybe more a dog physcology? I think part of training a dog with issues is first understanding what & where the issue came from, the long term training comes in after that. Unfortunetly some pet owners do not follow through with the long term part.

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I agree with both. I like that his show has honestly gotten people walking their dogs and does offer some methods that people could use at home. I also liked how his book made concrete ideas for people as well. What a revolutionary idea about the dog walking 2 times a day for 30 minutes but hey it worked!
I don't think his methods are for every dog but reality is you are gonna have people at home try stupid things with their own dog but these occured long before Cesear was even heard of. But a lot of dog trainers, I know, the ones who actually try to rehabilitate dogs do somewhat like him. Not the ones that teach puppy class only with a clicker but take the time out and get a dog that has been abused or chained up for years, etc. I think like everything out there, there are different tools and you need to know your dog before using any of them. And to be honest, after what most vets consider to be a good food when they had an hour long class on canine nutrition, how long of class did they have on dog psychology?

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I like Cesar Millan and agree with most of the things I have seen on his show. I trained in obedience for many years without treats. The dogs I trained then were dependable once they had it it was forever no treats just doing to please Now with all the new physiology and treat system you have to be a constant die hard to have a dependable dog.

If you want to see the Dog Whisperers methods in practice look a Carole’s thread “Tell me what you think of these videos” http://havaneseforum.com/showthread....ighlight=video with Vinny and Hopey. Vinny is Cesar.

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At worst, Mr.
Millan's techniques and misinformation have contributed to increased aggression
and anxiety or resulted in physical injury to the pet and/or pet owner. As
practicing veterinarians, we all unfortunately have seen many cases of the latter.
I would actually like to see documented proof of dogs that were on his show that either were physically injured or become aggressive. Frankly I don't really see him using fear and intimidation and I watch his show frequently. Most of the time he's correcting the owners and not the dogs.

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I would actually like to see documented proof of dogs that were on his show that either were physically injured or become aggressive. Frankly I don't really see him using fear and intimidation and I watch his show frequently. Most of the time he's correcting the owners and not the dogs.
Here is yet another article by Jean Donaldson re Cesar . I have personally asked her about the effect of Cesar on dog training. She said that when he first came on the air that they had an increased number of incidents coming into the San Francisco SPCA from people trying to adopt his methods. When trained dog experts view his videos ,it is plain to see the stress in the dogs. That is the whole problem like Jean says . The average person does not know how to read dog body language. Here is the article.
http://www.urbandawgs.com/divided_profession.html

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I have personally asked her about the effect of Cesar on dog training. She said that when he first came on the air that they had an increased number of incidents coming into the San Francisco SPCA from people trying to adopt his methods.

How do they know they were practicing Cesear Milan methods on their dogs? I agree the average person doesnt read body language but prong collars and people using them incorrectly happened a long time before Cesar ever came on the air.

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because these people tell her and all these vets that they were trying to do something they learned on the dog whisperer when they bring their dog in. His methods are not recommended by most knowledgable trainers , especially not for the average dog owner. Yes choke chains and prong collars were not invented by Cesar but they are ever more popular because of him. His methods were used commonly twenty years ago , but we have since learned better and more humane methods to teach our dogs. From Jean Donaldson:

"Practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and using of choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards. A profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back. I have long been deeply troubled by the popularity of Mr. Millan as so many will emulate him. To co-opt a word like ‘whispering’ for arcane, violent and technically unsound practice is unconscionable.”

—Jean Donaldson, Director, SPCA Academy for Dog Trainers, San Francisco.
... Author of "Culture Clash" and "Dogs are From Neptune".

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You take in a pack of over 50 unwanted and badly treated dogs and have them live well together and then bash him
Do I agree with everything? No, especially the way he promotes himself. Have I seen great results from some of what he does? Yes.
There is a warning on all of his shows that says not to try this yourself so what makes people think that they can go get an abused dog and all of a sudden have 30 years of experience? What does Ceaser have to do with bad choices people make when they've been warned?

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