Here come the Giant Havanese! - Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 06-04-2015, 11:34 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Deacon Blues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 393
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 5 Times in 4 Posts
Here come the Giant Havanese!

I met a lovely woman at the park with a very large Hav. She saw Rory and commented that I must have purchased a "small head" Havanese (Rory is 8 lbs.).

She said when that her pup hit 20 lbs. she called her breeder and was told that hers was a "large head" Havanese that could grow to 25 lbs. I told her to my knowledge, the breed standard was 7 to 13 pounds and there were no grouping by head size.

She kind of sighed knowingly and we both went on our way. Years ago some German Shepherd breeders started selling oversize dogs as "King German Shepherds". I hope this doesn't happen to the Havanese.
Deacon Blues is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old 06-04-2015, 11:50 PM
Arf! Arf!
 
Ricky Ricardo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Southern California & Baja California
Posts: 1,606
Submit Photo: 4
Photo Submissions 34 Times in 34 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deacon Blues View Post
She saw Rory and commented that I must have purchased a "small head" Havanese (Rory is 8 lbs.).

She said when that her pup hit 20 lbs. she called her breeder and was told that hers was a "large head" Havanese that could grow to 25 lbs.
Good one. I'm a pointed head Havanese.......

besos, Ricky Ricardo

Tigerlily's Welcome to the Jungle (Ricky Ricardo) (AKC titles) CGC, BN


Last edited by Ricky Ricardo; 06-04-2015 at 11:54 PM.
Ricky Ricardo is offline  
post #3 of 5 (permalink) Old 06-05-2015, 09:00 AM
Metrowest, MA
 
krandall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 23,502
Submit Photo: 6
Photo Submissions 296 Times in 294 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deacon Blues View Post
I met a lovely woman at the park with a very large Hav. She saw Rory and commented that I must have purchased a "small head" Havanese (Rory is 8 lbs.).

She said when that her pup hit 20 lbs. she called her breeder and was told that hers was a "large head" Havanese that could grow to 25 lbs. I told her to my knowledge, the breed standard was 7 to 13 pounds and there were no grouping by head size.

She kind of sighed knowingly and we both went on our way. Years ago some German Shepherd breeders started selling oversize dogs as "King German Shepherds". I hope this doesn't happen to the Havanese.
Ha! We call Kodi our "King Sized Havanese" because he is at the top of the standard (though still within standard) and was bred by the Kings. He is not, however, typical of their dogs… most of the dogs they breed are moderate in size. He just happened to grow big. He's still not anywhere NEAR 20 lbs!

OTOH, there is NO weight requirement in the breed standard, at least in the U.S. The standard addresses height, not weight. Here's what it says:

"The ideal height is between 9 and 10 1/2 inches, with an acceptable height range from 8 1/2 to 11 1/2 inches. Height at withers under 8 1/2 inches or over 11 1/2 inches is a disqualification,"

Just checked the Canadian standard, and again, there is no weight requirement. It is based on height, and aligns pretty closely with the U.S. requirements taking into consideration the methods of measuring:

"Ideal height at withers 23-27cm (9.0-10.6 inches). Tolerance from 21-29cm (8.3-11.4 inches). Proportion and Substance: Small dog with a sense of refinement yet also sturdy; weight proportionate to height and bone, maintaining a balanced moderate build without exaggeration towards either fragility or coarseness."

Checked FCI (international) also. They don't have any weights either. Still based on height, same as Canadian:

"Height at the withers : From 23 to 27 cm.
Tolerance : from 21 to 29 cm."

But yes, you are right, I have never EVER heard of "small head" or "big head" Havanese. The closest reference I've heard to that is that one group of the dogs that Dorothy Goodale originally worked with had longer faces, (they have sometimes been called "horse faced" and longer, heavier bodies. Because of this, at the same height they were quite a bit heavier than the other type.

While I've never heard of anyone breeding "big head" Havanese before, there certainly are disreputable breeders who advertise "teacup" Havanese… Havanese that purposely or accidentally are bred smaller than the standard. This is a dangerous practice. Not only does it not conform to our standard, but exceptionally small dogs are more likely to have heart and/or liver defects.

That is NOT the same as the occasional dog produced by a good breeder that happens to be under or over standard. That can just happen… in any breeding program, and these dogs can obviously make WONDERFUL pets, regardless of their size. But no reputable breeder PURPOSELY breeds for dogs outside the standard.


Karen, Kodi, Pixel and Panda
(ARCHMX Starborn Kodak Moment CGC, NTD, BN, PCD, NA, NAJ, CDX-CCH, RE, RLV, RL1X3, RL2X4, RL3X3...
plus Starborn's Picture Perfect & Nauti Herd Compact Flash RN, CGC, NTD, SN-C, RL1)






krandall is offline  
 
post #4 of 5 (permalink) Old 06-05-2015, 10:06 AM
Senior Member
 
Molly120213's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Webster, NY
Posts: 3,409
Submit Photo: 4
Photo Submissions 137 Times in 136 Posts
Molly's height at withers is 9 inches which puts her in the standard. Her weight at only 6 lbs. makes her substantially smaller than her parents and six brothers. She is one of those dogs that was not bred to be small but just turned out that way.



Diane and Molly
Molly120213 is offline  
post #5 of 5 (permalink) Old 06-05-2015, 03:39 PM
Metrowest, MA
 
krandall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 23,502
Submit Photo: 6
Photo Submissions 296 Times in 294 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly120213 View Post
Molly's height at withers is 9 inches which puts her in the standard. Her weight at only 6 lbs. makes her substantially smaller than her parents and six brothers. She is one of those dogs that was not bred to be small but just turned out that way.
Yup! They are definitely around!

And I have a friend with a beautiful but tiny (just barely within standard) Havanese bitch. She has her Grand Championship, has had a litter of beautiful pups (who were all in the more typical size range) and she also competes in Agility at the Excellent level! There is nothing necessarily wrong with being little!


Karen, Kodi, Pixel and Panda
(ARCHMX Starborn Kodak Moment CGC, NTD, BN, PCD, NA, NAJ, CDX-CCH, RE, RLV, RL1X3, RL2X4, RL3X3...
plus Starborn's Picture Perfect & Nauti Herd Compact Flash RN, CGC, NTD, SN-C, RL1)






krandall is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome