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I have a friend who's looking to purchase a puppy. While inquiring about the puppy she asked one of the breeders if they do genetic testing. (her puppies are champion sired.) The breeder said she doesn't do testing because how can you test for something that isn't there. Further stating it's like testing a child to see if they'll get a disease later on in life.
I really don't agree but I don't know much about this and was curious what all of you thought about this.

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Glenda- my question is why not test? I agree testing isn't everything and things can still happen when the tests are there and there are things you can't test for, etc. As to testing, testing measures what is there- bad hips, bad heart, deafness, cataracts, etc. But why not test, I find a lot of breeders who make excuses are too busy lining their pocket books. Also how are they bettering the breed with no knowledge. Just guessing when matching two dogs? Also, is that breeder taking a significant amount of money off her puppies. Honestly, if you are getting a puppy that comes from no health tests, why should you pay the same for one that's parents and grandparents have been? Health testing isn't cheap but it is part of something I want my dog's parents to have so I am willing to pay for it as the puppy buyer. I think you are getting ripped off to be honest if you go the other route. Otherwise what would you pay for a puppy at the pound that had the same health testing yours has had. Now if you painted him chocolate and made him smaller would you say he is worth $3k? Shoot at least at the pound- you can guess that dog might have better hips and a heart cause the daddy had to jump the fence, etc.

Sorry if I am sounding overzealous, I just really dislike some of the breeders who I personally think take advantage of people while riding on the coat tails of great breeders. They charge puppy buyers a lot of money and don't give back to the breed. Come on the pet stores do it all the time. People go in see a Hav for $1200 and think they are getting a deal. It can really effect a breed in such a negative way as well.

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I have a friend who's looking to purchase a puppy. While inquiring about the puppy she asked one of the breeders if they do genetic testing. (her puppies are champion sired.) The breeder said she doesn't do testing because how can you test for something that isn't there. Further stating it's like testing a child to see if they'll get a disease later on in life.
I really don't agree but I don't know much about this and was curious what all of you thought about this.
Does she do health testing (CERF/OFA etc)? or is genetic testing the same as the health tests? I think the health testing is essential so maybe she should walk away from this breeder .

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Angie, She doesn't do any testing at all no CERF/OFA. None.
I agree with both of you (Amanda and Angie) that it should be done and was looking for confirmation here and you guys did that.
She's charging a lot of money because it's a champion line. I would prefer to pay more because they do the Healthy testing. Who cares about the champion line.

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Champion line means little to nothing. There are many Champions from all the original lines of Havanese with all sorts of health problems or stuff you don't want. Drag any dog through the ring long enough and it can be finished.

Health testing is not exactly Genetic Testing. Genetic testing is more about looking at the DNA for specific things. There is a lot of Genetic testing going on now but it's of little interest as far as any individual puppy.

Health testing is more about seeing the quality of the breeding dogs' hips, eyes, liver function, hips, elbows, heart, etc. All these things can be passed on. Even with all the health testing passed, it's still no guarantee of anything. Beyond health testing comes the puppies produced by the breeder for ever how long. The only Guarantee you get is the one provided by the breeder which needs to be tempered by your own judgment to see if you believe they can stand behind it.

Anyone who is breeding dogs who have not passed the health testing should not be breeding these dogs.

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Tom,
Thank you so much for the informative information. This is great information.

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I, myself would never buy a puppy that hasn't been health tested for all the reasons stated above.

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