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Havanese - working or non-working home?

I am fairly new to this forum. I have been going back and forth from the maltese and the havanese.

I love the looks and the temperments of both. Very similar breeds. Doing a ton of research on both breeds. A member of maltese forum's, and also of course here. Originally I wanted the maltese, but did wish it came in different colors than the standard white. Then I discovered the havanese.
Best of both worlds!
There is no doubt in my mind that I could give either of these breeds a home filled with love and great happiness.

What is upsetting to me is that today, once again, I read a post that a breeder posted that she would not sell her puppies to a home in which the owners worked.

I work. Full time. Have no choice in the matter. Mid 50's, single, and looking forward to retirement in the next 10 years. Yet I probably would give a pup more love and attention than some (many) that do not work.

So my question is:
Who are these people that give these pups a home?
Are there truly that many people out there who do not work, who are young, and or, financially independant that they can give more love and attention to a pup?

So I have to ask the breeders:
Would you rather find a home for your pups with a older retired couple (person) who does not have the years to share with this pup, the dog will have to be rehomed because of death or sickness, or a younger couple (person) who does work, who can give love and devotion to the dog for all the years it will live?

In a perfect world, I would never have to work, could devote all of my time to my dog. But this is not a perfect world.
Yet I have 2 dogs, not havanese granted, but 2 dogs who are very happy and share my life. Are they living a deprived life? No. They get more attention in the hours I am home, than many dogs that live in a household where the owners do not work.

From what I have read here, the majority of owners work. Does this make them bad or underserving of this breed?

We are all here because of our great love for our dogs.

Should a dog (havanese) be deprived of a great home because the owner has to work?
Should a owner be deprived of the love of a havanese because they work?

I say NO on both questions.
A person who works is capable of giving this great breed the same amount of love and attention that a non-working person could give the breed.

So please, all you breeders who think that only a non-working home can give your pup the love and attention it deserves.. rethink your opinion.
All situations are different.

I would like to know the true percentage of those that are a member of this forum that do work, or do not work, that own this breed.

To the breeders out there:
Give us workers the chance to share our lifes with this great breed.
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I do not work but I did work and owned a dog . it was a little easier then as I had a school aged child and a baby sitter who came after school . When I got the dog I did not work and then went back to work after 5 years .
Havanese are very social and do not do well alone for long periods of time . You said you had other dogs - is that now or was it before .
I am sure you would find a breeder who may sell you a dog after they hear about your lifestyle - perhaps a neighbor can come in or a friend can visit .
I had a friend who took in her neighbors Yorkie ..
You may valid points but I have to say unless you have help or two dogs - it is hard for them to be alone for 8 hours . I know people on this site that work and manage well . Hopefully they can give you better insight than I can .
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Not sure which breeded or post you refer to, but I work, by choice not necessity luckily, I do not have set hours or can pretty much set my own. But I put in a good 40-50 hours a week and my puppy is not lacking for anything. If a breeder does not think someone who works will not make a good home that is their problem. When I was looking for a puppy a very local person had a litter, ask alot of questions, even suggested some people pose as good buyers and are puppy mills, really talking to her almost turned me off from the breed. Luckily the litter owner I bought from, talked to me a few minutes, offered to meet and I now have my Smarty. The first litter owner I talked to is still advertising in the Atlanta paper and a very small local paper. In my opinion some people with all the time in the world should never own an animal, I've known some and I am sure the others on the forum have too.

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Welcome to the forum. I have pretty strong feelings about this just as you do but since I already wrote a lengthy post on it awhile back I'll spare everyone the pain of a repeat (I know some are saying whew!). Suffice it to say not all breeders are alike just like not all puppy buyers or puppies are alike. All good breeders, especially those on this list, want what's best for their dogs but there are some who are more lenient with full time workers and willing to understand your situation. If you have the love to give to a dog, the desire to make it work and the willlingness to make sacrifices to make it work, it will work. It just takes the match of the right puppy with the right temperment to the right puppy owner, also with the right temperment.

Good luck in your research.

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When I bought my first Hav, I worked close to home for about 5 hours/day. Sometimes Hubby left after I did. sometime Brutus came to work with me. Now my circumstances have changed and I will be working 8 1/2 hours per day 1/2 hour away form home. Hubby will always leave after me, but it still involves leaving Brutus alone for several hours. He is a great dog so we are getting #2 to keep him company.
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I am a stay at home housewife with two dogs and a third one on the way. I am very blessed to have a husband who has a great job where I can stay at home. I am not at home all the time as I have twin nephews who are only 4 and half months old!!!! They are too cute. I am there alot and our dogs are not lacking any love at all!!!!!! They are spoiled rotten. You just have to make some sacrifices. It will work out just fine!!!!
Welcome to the forum!!!! We were looking into a maltese but LOVE the personality of the Havanese!!!
Good luck to you!!!!
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If your Havanese has issues when no one is home, simply get a 2nd. Seems to work for everyone on this forum who woks and has gotten a 2nd. Thats what I plan to do if Mango has seperation issues.

I do not agree with the breeders who refuse to sell to fulltime working homes. Point in case.. There is a retired family which lives down the street from me, they have a golder retriever. Poor dog is outside laying down in the front yard when i leave for work, and when i get back at 5, he is till there, same place s if he hasnot moved. The same can be said for the weekends. Always just sitting there doing nothing with no owner in sight. So, this retired couple are home 24/7 for the most part and do not work. So they would be given preference over a young couple whom works fulltime?? hahaha.. that is just ludicris! I feel bad for the poor dog.... Sometimes I just want to steal him..

Again, just my 2 cents.

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I am not a breeder, Shada, so I can't speak on their behalf, but I would think that there are plenty of Hav breeders that sell to homes with owners that work full-time. It's true that the Havanese needs it's family and doesn't do all that well alone for a whole day..... not all Havs, but many. There are some members who work and manage things very well and their pup is happy, healthy and well-loved. That's what matters.

I don't work outside the home which is why I was ready to buy a puppy. If I had a part-time or full-time job, I probably wouldn't have considered a pup as I knew it meant a lot of attention and consistency in the first few months. That is me, though. I have health issues, so working at a job, plus caring for my 3 kids, home, activities and a pup would not have been possible. Still, all my friends and family members with dogs, are all full time workers outside the home! That didn't stop them from getting a dog or their breeders from selling one to them.

I am sure you will find a good breeder who will help you make your dream of owning a Hav come true.




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I do not agree with the breeders who refuse to sell to fulltime working homes. Point in case.. There is a retired family which lives down the street from me, they have a golder retriever. Poor dog is outside laying down in the front yard when i leave for work, and when i get back at 5, he is till there, same place s if he hasnot moved.
I don't know what kind of life this dog has and maybe he does other things throughout the day that you don't see while you're at work. I don't really know. I do know that a Golden Retriever is not going to react like a Havanese though. The Havanese breed was bred to be close by their humans. I think there are many different breeds out there to chose from and some are better than others if you work a full day away from home.

There was another thread a short while back where several people offered their opinions on working and owning dogs..

http://www.havaneseforum.com/showthread.php?t=453
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Suffice it to say not all breeders are alike just like not all puppy buyers or puppies are alike. All good breeders, especially those on this list, want what's best for their dogs but there are some who are more lenient with full time workers and willing to understand your situation. If you have the love to give to a dog, the desire to make it work and the willlingness to make sacrifices to make it work, it will work. It just takes the match of the right puppy with the right temperment to the right puppy owner, also with the right temperment.

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I think Susan says it all, please don't be discouraged in your desire to get a Havanese dog. They bring so much joy and love to a person's life. They are truly a gift to all of us.
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