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Hi! I was recommended by a Havanese Club breeder to another breeder that has a couple of girl pups. I had my heart set on a light colored girl but she has 1 red/sable and 1 black/tan. She said that the red girl is a bit more active and independent and the black/tan girl is more of a lap pup. How much is personality formed at 3 months? I think I'm going to meet them soon but just wanted some thoughts. She seems a good breeder, does all the testing on the parents and guarantees health. Thanks!
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I am no expert, but I did watch an episode on TV where Cesar Millan was picking out new puppies for his pack. Also, I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express many times.

Anyway, he always picked the mellow puppy because he said it was already showing submission and would be easiest to train. I personally have one of each, and I love them both very much. The mellow one is a bit more of a lap dog, but the other has personality plus. I know this is no help, but it is all I've got.
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They're all individuals. 12 weeks is not too early at all to tell what they're going to be like. Actually, you start to see some things at just a few weeks. Usually, by 7 or 8 weeks we pretty much know what their personality is.
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Whimsy was a perfect fit for us and that breeder knew it. A calm lap dog is what we wanted and needed in our early 60's. Soon after we got her, little did I know that I would have a lot of health problems and Whimsy was constantly by my side and very aware that she should stay out of the way when I used my walker. She would rather lay next to me and snuggle than play sometimes! I'm fine now, but I am so grateful for my breeder giving me the 'right fit' for me.

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Just remember that the color of your puppy may drastically change over time but the personality is here to stay. Your breeder would be the best advisor as to which puppy would be the best fit for your family. Good luck!



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Hi! I was recommended by a Havanese Club breeder to another breeder that has a couple of girl pups. I had my heart set on a light colored girl but she has 1 red/sable and 1 black/tan. She said that the red girl is a bit more active and independent and the black/tan girl is more of a lap pup. How much is personality formed at 3 months? I think I'm going to meet them soon but just wanted some thoughts. She seems a good breeder, does all the testing on the parents and guarantees health. Thanks!
Most experienced breeders are very good at assessing puppy personalities. Which type of personality you want is up to you. I wouldn't say that eithe ris easier or harder to train... Especially not for pet purposes. A laid back puppy will probably not get into as much mischief as a puppy, but a more active puppy often also has more drive to learn.

I hapve have a WONDERFUL quieter boy who has been a fantastic competition partner. (Just look at all the titles he has!) i also have a spunky little girl that I chose specifically because she's a little tougher and more out-going. She is a VERY quick learner, but if you don't stay on top of her every moment, she'll find things to occupy herself... Often not what you had in mind.


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I am no expert, but I did watch an episode on TV where Cesar Millan was picking out new puppies for his pack. Also, I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express many times.

Anyway, he always picked the mellow puppy because he said it was already showing submission and would be easiest to train. I personally have one of each, and I love them both very much. The mellow one is a bit more of a lap dog, but the other has personality plus. I know this is no help, but it is all I've got.
The idea of "submission" and "dominance" in dogs is a very misleading one. Most Havanese puppies are very middle of the road in terms of temperament. Yes, there are variations, but vanishingly few well bred Havanese would be at either end of the disposition spectrum.


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They're all individuals. 12 weeks is not too early at all to tell what they're going to be like. Actually, you start to see some things at just a few weeks. Usually, by 7 or 8 weeks we pretty much know what their personality is.
I had pretty much picked Pixel out at 6 weeks, enev though we waited until 8 weeks to make sure her temperament was all it looked like it would be at 6!


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When I first visited Archer I was quite concerned because he seemed fearful and less curious than the other puppies. Thanks to the advice on the forum I got him anyway and I wouldn't change a thing. He is the sweetest little guy. I knew since he was a bit less outgoing than the other pups I would work on confidence building exercises and a lot of socialization with him, and it has worked great. He loves people and is pretty good with most dogs except rambunctious large ones (fair enough, I'd be scared too if I weighed 12 lbs!)

I think whatever temperament your puppy has you can just work with it- if Archer were more spunky and rambunctious I might practice more of relaxing in distracting environments with him, for example. But the breeders definitely know and our breeder did find us a good match in Archer as I did want a cuddlebug and he is. He was the only puppy that would sit still with us and the only one who would relax in your arms- all the others were kind of too crazy! But again they change so much so he could have just been sleepy when we first met him. To this day Archer will melt in my arms and relax and he is more relaxed on a picnic or outdoor setting than my friend's 6 yr old lab who has NO off switch! That was demonstrated yesterday at our Canada day picnic!

On the other hand Archer is quite the smart little guy and does love to train but he really does not get into much mischief around the house, aside from emptying my pockets of kleenex to shred and playing joyfully with socks. As two "bad" habits I find those things pretty cute so it's no problem. Other people I know deal with a lot more in terms of troublemaker pups who chew and investigate things they ought not to!

Training can make such a huge difference though. You can take a rambunctious and curious puppy and make them fearful by using old fashioned training methods, and you can take a shy and uncertain puppy and help them become more bold and curious by rewarding them and helping them gently overcome their fears. So the dog you end up with will be a combo of his or her innate personality and temperament, then some of the socialization you do (or don't do) as well as the training methods you use and what you introduce your pup to.

Bit of rambling, hope it helps a little anyway. And Kudos Karen for mentioning the bit about the old fashioned concepts that Cesar Millan uses. There are much more effective, kind and scientifically-backed methods to use with your puppy, and many folks here on the forum are very skilled with those so you will have lots of help if you need it.

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