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Laughing Dogs?

From one of our members. In doing the research for her new book, Karen Pryor has been delving deep
into neuroscience and trying to learn why certain sounds, such as the click,
are more easily understood than words, which have to be translated in the
language centers of the brain. Many of you have already heard my theory,
which is that the click is an environmental sound and can elicit behavior
very similar to reflex behavior. In other words, if a deer hears a twig
snap in the forest, she doesn't have to sit around and think, "What does
that mean?" Her body instantly puts her on alert before she has figured out
where the other animal is and whether or not it's a predator. Spoken
language takes a split-second to send it through the language center of the
brain and translate it.

An important sidebar of Karen's research was meeting a scientist who made a
video of tickling his lab animals and making them laugh.

Not shown on the video was a story the scientist related about the
beginnings of this experiement. The researchers were not sure, at first,
whether the lab rats enjoyed or disliked the tickling. But they observed
the rats over time and found out that the rats never tried to escape the
hand, even when there was plenty of room for them to get away. Later, they
found that the rats would actually follow the hand trying to make it tickle
again.

I think that the researchers were simply trying to determine the meaning of
the the sound that the rats were making. They wanted to know if the sound
was laughter or whether it was distress. Because the rats were literally
chasing the hand around like a little kid asking daddy to pick him up again
(my analogy), the researchers did, indeed, determine that the sound was
laughter.

But the research has implications about the use of positive reinforcement in
training, too. An animal that is learning via means of positive
reinforcement will run after the trainer trying to make her reinforce him
again. An animal like that is like a seaman running up to the captain,
saluting, and saying excitedly, "What can I do for you today, sir?" instead
of a seaman that moans and groans everytime he's asked to swab the deck.
The trick is to find out what truly reinforces the animal, because they
don't all like the same things. And the only way you know if the animal is
being reinforced is whether or not he's saluting and asking you what you
want.

Enjoy the video! It's very short:

http://www.reachingtheanimalmind.com/chapter_10.html

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That was interesting. Thanks for sharing!

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Thank you Dave, I always enjoy the things you share!

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Darn, only part of the video would play for me. Much of my training came from Karen and she's very good at what she does. She gives up on a dog much faster than I do though. I went to her with a problem a dog was having and her advice was to put the dog down. I knew this dog and did NOT agree with her. Know what the problem was? The dogs hair was blocking it's view (this isn't a hav) and it was reacting to the partial view it got. Once the hair was removed from the eyes and the dog could see, the dog was back to it's sweet self.

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Regarding clicker training and positive reinforcement, I certainly notice that when I bring the clicker out I get a higher level of excitement and attention than when I train with voice only (I use both since I might not always have a clicker handy out in a park somewhere!). Rascal and Pixie love the clicker and will come running for a training session whenever I click it to let them know we are going to have some fun!

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I just read Karen Pryor's new book, from your recommendation Dave! Thanks. I have also been reading Temple Grandin's new book "Animals Make us Human". I think it's very interesting. She has a lot of the current research and has some great insights into packs and different methods of training.
I have ordered my clicker!

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Thanks Annie I will keep that one in mind. I have heard from some our members that she is good. I usually order three books at a time from DogWise to help make the shipping worthwhile. LOL

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That was wonderful! Thank you for sharing it.

ps: Sheesh! Now I want a rat, too.
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