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What gets me most is that she really gets herself worked up. We put a camera in her puppy room to watch what she does when we leave..... she will grab her expen in her teeth and pull it. She pants and gets really upset. I cannot imagine that is good for her.
In addition to puppy school, I am asking her vet Friday about a behaviorist coming to the house to help us.
I just feel really lost. She's awesom when she's glued to my hip, but that isn't practical.

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As soon as he sees me return, the volume goes up till he is released. If I sit with my back to him and say "shhh" he quiets for a second (literally only a second or two), but if I say "good boy" he just perks up (if he had started to relax) and freaks out again and the barking is taken to a new level.
If I had to guess I'd say that he's getting what he wants - your attention - even though that attention is only a 'shhh'. I'd suggest no words at all. Sit with your back to him, if he barks, don't say anything. When he relaxes, is quiet either take him out or give him a treat (still not saying anything).

When Perry is in his crate he won't bark (well, ok, he does when I leave him if I leave him in his crate off schedule) and is quiet when I come to take him out, but he'll be all excited, so I wait til he's calm, open the crate, let him out (no talking) and then I don't talk to him or even pet him for a few minutes until he's calm and not in 'just got out of crate' mode.

When we're in the US we have an expen (wish they came in smaller panels so that it was easier for us to bring one here) and Perry will bark when I leave the room (even if someone else is there) - having problems with this because I know he continues because my Mom or someone will tell him to 'shh' (I'm guilty too because I've come back in the room to tell him to quiet down and then left again - so he got what he wanted). When I come to get him out he'll be excited-whining and jumping around and I'll just stand there looking at him til he calms himself down and sits quietly, then I'll take him out. He now knows that's what he has to do (even if it takes him a few minutes to be able to do it).
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What gets me most is that she really gets herself worked up. We put a camera in her puppy room to watch what she does when we leave..... she will grab her expen in her teeth and pull it. She pants and gets really upset. I cannot imagine that is good for her.
In addition to puppy school, I am asking her vet Friday about a behaviorist coming to the house to help us.
I just feel really lost. She's awesom when she's glued to my hip, but that isn't practical.
We worked with a behaviourist when we were in the US a couple of weeks ago because Perry is scared of/ growls and barks at my husband. One of the things she mentioned (that I knew but wasn't dealing with properly) was the 'glued to the hip' part of it. She mentioned (in addition to helping Perry see my husband as the bringer of all good things) that it wasn't good for Perry to be attached to my hip so much and following me around all the time. She suggested that we use a tether method - tethering him (or if you have an expen) when I need to go to another room, instead of letting him always follow me around. He's too attached to me in some ways that makes him more distrustful of (and have no interest in) other people. So, not only is the 'glued to the hip' impractical, it's probably also not good for his long term mental health/ stability

As for her getting upset when you leave - as long as her environment is safe then I'd say that it just takes time and consistency. When we were working on Perry's separation issues, it took weeks and I didn't think he was ever going to stop barking when I left him, but then suddenly one day it seemed to click and he was fine (though we now have to work on it when it's not on what he sees as the acceptable schedule - routine mornings when I was going to work = acceptable, no barking; Saturday shopping = acceptable... weekday mid-afternoon shopping when we were on vacation = not acceptable)
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Thank you, Karen! That is reassuring. I guess my biggest fear is that we aren't training her correctly with regards to the barking.
She's amazing in every other respect. She's smart, sweet and adorable, but I can't be with her 100% of the time and when I'm not right there with her, she's yipping.
Is ignoring it the way to go? We've tried leaving and returning and increasing the time gradually. The barking just doesn't stop....
Absolutely, you HAVE to ignore demand barking, as hard as it seems. If it REALLY seems anxiety related, and is to improving, you might want to get a good, positive trainer in to see what's going on, first hand.


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yeah you sound like you are going through an extinction burst ... https://aniedireland.wordpress.com/2...8/barking-mad/
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Thank you for the article. It does sound like Penelope in many ways. I haven't looked at all the video clips yet, but I think they will be helpful.
We have a trainer coming to the house on Saturday. I think having someone walk us through some things will help. I learn best by observing.

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We have a trainer coming Saturday too! Looking forward to it!

I will check out these videos...

Many thanks!

I mean he is such a cutie...he was such a good boy today...because we were all home! Ha!
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Lonnie is a love! I will be thinking of you both on Saturday!!! Good luck!!!

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I cant wait to hear the results from his training, i also had a barker, it started when i took her out and she saw the dog next door, they both had a barking match, after that she was barking constantly and one of the resons i was drawn to this breed, ( first one) was because they are not constant barkers. I came on this forum, and someone told me to put pennies in a can and shake it every time they bark, i did that with a plastic bank, it scared her and she stopped barking she is now much better and doesnt even bark at the neighbors dog when he barks at her, i keep telling her no barking and shes got it cookies also help! Good luck. Ps, after a while she stopped just when she saw me pickup the bank, lol took a out a week.

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I cant wait to hear the results from his training, i also had a barker, it started when i took her out and she saw the dog next door, they both had a barking match, after that she was barking constantly and one of the resons i was drawn to this breed, ( first one) was because they are not constant barkers. I came on this forum, and someone told me to put pennies in a can and shake it every time they bark, i did that with a plastic bank, it scared her and she stopped barking she is now much better and doesnt even bark at the neighbors dog when he barks at her, i keep telling her no barking and shes got it cookies also help! Good luck. Ps, after a while she stopped just when she saw me pickup the bank, lol took a out a week.

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While I'm not an advocate of scaring them to stop them doing something, I do occasionally use a squirt bottle (which I think makes Perry pause more than scares him). It's also funny what will do the same to a dog/ scare them... for example, if my Mom's dog won't listen to my husband, he picks up his lighter... and if that doesn't work, he flicks it on. My Mom's scotty hates it! He'll stop what he was doing and look away (not really scared because he won't run away, he just looks away - you know the 'I can't see it so it doesn't exist' strategy). He's never been hurt with a lighter, so no idea where that wariness came from. Of course, this is the same dog who will completely freak out if you use the pencil sharpener (old fashion kind from many many years ago at school that is manual and you turn the handle on the side).
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