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Karen hit the nail on the head when she said the dog you have today is not the same dog you will have in 2-3 years. Patiently engaging the behaviors you want WILL pay off. When we first got our puppy and we would leave the home for a bit, he would completely freak out when we would arrive home...trying to get out of his crate....barking, whining, even peeing himself, all because he was overexcited that we were home. We had gotten to the point that we would carry the entire crate outside (with him in it), because we didn't want him piddling all over the kitchen floor. Our puppy good manners coach kept saying to keep him in his crate until he quieted down, not even speaking to him while he was carrying on. Over time, we started seeing that he would quiet down faster, knowing that he would then be released from his crate more quickly. Now, 15 months later, we can come home, even move around for a bit, and he just lies quietly in his crate, watching us and knowing that we'll let him out in a few minutes. The other thing is that he has now gotten to the point where when the doorbell rings, he'll run to the door and bark, but as soon as we open the door and greet the person, he immediately stops barking, as if he senses when we are relaxed with the person entering the home, it's okay for him to relax too. He has matured into such a lovely dog, and I am so grateful to our excellent good manners coaches for their outstanding training advice and for saving my sanity when I thought our puppy was going to drive me mad!
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Karen hit the nail on the head when she said the dog you have today is not the same dog you will have in 2-3 years. Patiently engaging the behaviors you want WILL pay off. When we first got our puppy and we would leave the home for a bit, he would completely freak out when we would arrive home...trying to get out of his crate....barking, whining, even peeing himself, all because he was overexcited that we were home. We had gotten to the point that we would carry the entire crate outside (with him in it), because we didn't want him piddling all over the kitchen floor. Our puppy good manners coach kept saying to keep him in his crate until he quieted down, not even speaking to him while he was carrying on. Over time, we started seeing that he would quiet down faster, knowing that he would then be released from his crate more quickly. Now, 15 months later, we can come home, even move around for a bit, and he just lies quietly in his crate, watching us and knowing that we'll let him out in a few minutes. The other thing is that he has now gotten to the point where when the doorbell rings, he'll run to the door and bark, but as soon as we open the door and greet the person, he immediately stops barking, as if he senses when we are relaxed with the person entering the home, it's okay for him to relax too. He has matured into such a lovely dog, and I am so grateful to our excellent good manners coaches for their outstanding training advice and for saving my sanity when I thought our puppy was going to drive me mad!
This is wonderful advice. I really would advise against penny cans or quirt bottles. Scaring (or even just startling) your dog out of barking, at best, is only effective temporarily, and, at worst can cause some pretty bad fall-out behaviors. (such as the puppy associating the scary noise or bad experience of getting squirted with YOU rather than with the barking, and then becoming afraid of you. Then you've got a lot bigger problem on your hands.
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The behaviorist came today and spent over three hours here. She checked out our setup and it was really helpful for me to watch how she handled Penelope's barking etc with the clicker. I learn best by watching and do I feel a lot more confident in how to handle separating.
She also helped with the interaction between Penelope and my daughter's dog, Paul, a 12 year old Chinese crested powder puff. Circumstances look like Paul will be living with us come August.... so it's nice to have some professional help with all of this.
I hope Lonnie's trainervisit went well!!!

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This is wonderful advice. I really would advise against penny cans or quirt bottles. Scaring (or even just startling) your dog out of barking, at best, is only effective temporarily, and, at worst can cause some pretty bad fall-out behaviors. (such as the puppy associating the scary noise or bad experience of getting squirted with YOU rather than with the barking, and then becoming afraid of you. Then you've got a lot bigger problem on your hands.
I completely agree and that's why I only use the squirt bottle when he is fixated on the door and he never sees that it's me squirting it But yes, it's not something that I advocate doing often.
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Is ignoring it the way to go? We've tried leaving and returning and increasing the time gradually. The barking just doesn't stop....
The leaving and returning only helps if he isn't already upset and if you return before he gets upset. Migo had a tough time too at first. I could only move a few steps back without him getting upset. I took it very slowly at first but once he caught on it went by pretty fast. I could leave the house for an hour on our second day of training.

The demand barking really sucks. I almost resorted to ear plugs because Migo has a horrible ear-piercing bark. Luckily he stopped this before our neighbors complained. My advice is to expose him to several situations. When I thought he was over it I had a morning where he was in his travel crate for about ten min while I searched for my work ID. He barked the entire time! He also barked quite a bit during our first visit with a lady who cares for him some days. It's like he's a different dog when this happens, so I'm trying to expose him to as many new environments as I can.

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Oh I'm so glad for this thread. I haven't been on in a few weeks and I came to look for specifically this topic. Lily - my former so shy little puppy , is now 7 mo now and has really come out of her shell. So much now as soon as someone comes over she has this LOUD piercing bark and will follow them around to get their attention but won't always let them let her right away. She used to run from strangers terrified. The worst of her barking is she will bark at any noise or person she sees outside. Once they are gone , it stops. She does not bark when she is outside walking really or with people now outside, she just wants to be outside or is just super nosey. Ha. I am really glad she is growing up not so terrified like she used to be with training and exposure we have done , but this barking And I work from home and am in the phone some. And it can be quite distracting. I have tried the shaker penny's and water squirt bottle and neither work. She just keeps on barking. I guess I need to try the ignore and will do the shush that was explained. Great advice. Here's updated pic.
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The demand barking really sucks. I almost resorted to ear plugs because Migo has a horrible ear-piercing bark. Luckily he stopped this before our neighbors complained. My advice is to expose him to several situations. When I thought he was over it I had a morning where he was in his travel crate for about ten min while I searched for my work ID. He barked the entire time! He also barked quite a bit during our first visit with a lady who cares for him some days. It's like he's a different dog when this happens, so I'm trying to expose him to as many new environments as I can.
Oh I can totally relate to this! When we first got Perry (and came back to Kampala), we had issues with what I think was a combination of separation anxiety /demand barking when we'd put him in his crate and leave him (never more than a couple of hours). With patience we moved past that and now we can put him in his crate when we go out and he just chills out til someone comes back for him. However, when we travel to the US it's a different story. Last time we were in DC I was worried that he'd bark in the hotel (and we'd get kicked out) so we arranged for daycare for two of the days, but then one evening when we wanted to go out for dinner I figured it would be fine to leave him in his crate - after all, he's over the barking right? Nope. No idea how long he was barking but he was definitely making a lot of noise by the time we got back (with chances that he was barking almost the whole time). AND when we're at my Mom's and we leave him in his crate while we go out he starts up almost immediately. So, in our case, learning that someone will come back and not barking doesn't necessarily apply in other locations. It could be because they have difficulty transferring learning from one situation to another, it could be because anxiety levels are already slightly higher anyway because of the change in environment or it could be because they just like to drive us crazy ( probably not, but it definitely feels that way sometimes).
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I am bumping this very old thread. What ever happened with Lonnie and his barking? Did things improve? Did the tactics and advice given work or did you try something else?

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I suggest you put barking in the search engine, or start a new thread. For the most part, barking is natural for your pup and his way of warning trouble is just outside the door, window etc. Also, to let you know the chewy is between the sofa cushions and needs to escape, etc. Be very careful in trying to extinguish such a natural behavior. When you raise your voice and hiss, "Hush", doggie thinks you are barking along with him/her and must think something evil is afoot as well. Hitting pup with a stream of water may create a fearful pup, may not.

Barking is natural to dogs, but not to cats, gerbils, birds or amphibians. All of which also make wonderful pets.

Many people are successful in teaching the "speak" command and then training to not speak.

Just understand doggie is doing something natural and that he won't easily stop the behavior, whereas shouting at a barking doggie or squirting him with water may be easily controlled.
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This is a great thread! Our 9-month-old has always been a barker, but it's gotten worse lately. We've started working with a trainer because he now barks (sometimes aggressively) at random people on the street and at people who come into our home. He also barks aggressively if we're outside and he sees a dog but doesn't get to say hi to it. We've started working with a trainer and we're slowly seeing improvements. We aren't trying to stop him from barking. (We like that he alerts us to things.) Rather, we are trying to teach him 1) that it's not OK to bark and lunge at strangers and 2) that it's not the end of the world if he doesn't say hi to every dog he sees outside. Slow and steady progress...
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