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How long did it take you to kennel train

So stressful because my dad is NOT happy with the kennel training process or her nightly crying, despite how much we try to explain she is a baby, needs to be taken out at night and this may make her cry, etc. If it was just me and my mom and siblings it’d be no big deal. Everyone is understanding except him.....😞😞

She was quiet for like 2 nights and has started crying again. Once TV is off and all noise is gone she stops crying after about 10 minutes. What I was doing initially was setting my alarm to go off every 3 hours to take her out. However, I noticed I just seemed to be waking her up each time and disrupting peaceful, quiet sleep. These nights were very noisy and long. It’s such a taxing process with her, some nights this week she’s slept perfectly all through the night, but most nights she cries sporadically at some point. We do our best to tire her out before bed and make sure she goes potty. We’ve put all kinds of comfy things in there like a towel and a blanket, we’ve put cuddly toys in there, a bone to chew on, everything. Her kennel is in the laundry room. I did not start with it in my room because we did that with our last dog & it was a disaster, she cried at me all night long every night because she wanted to be in bed with me, and when we moved her kennel out she was scared because she couldn’t see me anymore. It took soooo long to kennel train her.

My other question aside from how long does it take for them to finally settle down at night is if she is crying at night, do I take her out then, or wait until she’s quiet? I don’t want to support her crying, but I also don’t want her to have an accident in her kennel! Ahh!!
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Is it possible to put her crate beside your bed where you can reach down? When I first got Perry I put his crate right beside my bed and when he would get restless at night I would put my hand down touching the front of the crate (or sticking my finger in - the first night I slept with my hand resting on his crate for probably 1/2 the night), I never said anything or moved otherwise - he just needed some reassurance that I was there (though it could have the opposite effect and rile her up I guess). After a couple of weeks of that, I was able to move him to the other side of the bedroom.

I would also try covering most/ all of the crate at night - it will start to be a signal to go to sleep.

I don't remember how old she is, but she might also have to go out, but if she went before bed I imagine the first potty break would be somewhere in the middle of the night, not just a couple of hours after you put her in her crate. At that point, I'd say just do everything as quietly and matter-of-factly as possible - no extra lights (if you can help it), pick her up, take her out, put her back - no petting, no talking, etc.
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Thanks for reply I just did this a little while ago. Someone was noisy in the kitchen and it woke her and she was taking a bit too long to settle down so took her out, left all lights off this time and barely said anything aside from go potty and she went. It’s tough because we’re supposed to be housebreaking her and I don’t want her to think she’s being punished for going because she goes right in her kennel after. Normally she gets a treat and lots of praise for going outside, I can only hope the change is not too confusing for her.

She fell back asleep quickly after I put her back. I still do not want to keep her in my room after my last experience but the covering the kennel thing is a good idea. That’s actually what I ended up doing with my past dog like a bird and I think it did help, for whatever reason. (I mean it’s dark in the room either way makes no sense why a blanket/towel over the kennel would promote sleep but whatever works I guess)

Edit: it’s now 12:30, I took her out at 11:45, she is up and crying again after an hour of quiet, do I take her out again? Ugh.

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I think you are forgetting how young your puppy is. The first few WEEKS with a puppy are like with an infant human. You are kind of on their schedule. It will get better with time.

I would ALWAYS err on the side of taking a dog out if they cry during the night. Even with an older dog. The cosequences of making them eliminate in their crate because you guess wrong are just too dire. But do it with no fan-fare, gently, but with no talking or cuddles. Obviously, a quite good boy! For eliminating is OK. The puppy will NOT think he is being punished by being returned to his crate. The crate is not a punishment. It’s like putting a small child back in their crib after a diaper change. That’s not punishment either.

A cover over the crate not only makes it darker (if there is light in the room) but also makes it cozy and warm... no drafts.

Mostly, I think you need to relax, except that your puppy IS a puppy, and will do baby puppy things for a while to come. The first couple of months with a puppy are hard work, but there are some ”puppy things” that will continue for the next at least year, maybe two, depending on the puppy. The only way around this is to adopt an adult dog and skip puppyhood altogether. But even with an adult dog, there will still be a settling in period. Remember that you are raising a delightful well trained ADULT dog who will be with you for the next 10-15 years or more. It’s is very worth putting in the time and effort up front for the enjoyment you will have going forward. Remind your dad of that. And take lots of pictures. You may feel like this stage is lasting forever, but in the scheme of things, it goes by like lightning. ENJOY your puppy’s babyhood! It doesn’t last long.
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Thanks I wish my dad could understand this. So I should just be taking her out every time she cries, even if it’s like an hour after the first time?
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The crate training I received was to make sure she goes potty before going into her crate at night. We also included the stuffed dog that makes a heart beat sound. When she first wakes crying, take her to go potty. After, put her back in her crate. If she starts again to cry, ignore her. Jessie’s first night..(her crate is in our room but not next to the bed) as instructed, I took her out to potty the first time she woke crying. The second time, I ignored her. She did fuss and whine for a while, but finally settled back down. That was the first and last night she fussed. Sleeps through the night with no problem. Jessie was 10 weeks old at the time. She is 15 weeks old and has no problem with being in her crate or sleeping through the night!

My understanding of this breed, is they want to be around you. Having the crate in another part of the house, isolates her! I can see you don’t want to get into the situation you had before. But if she is consistently kept in her crate at night, it shouldn’t be a problem. It’s the on the bed this time, in the crate next time, that is confusing! When there is a choice, going to pick the bed every time.
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The "cover the crate" trick worked for Ricky. Now, after all these years, he prefers to sleep with the cover over his crate. He thinks of it as his secret cave. I would also suggest you keep the crate in your bedroom so you can hear the "fur ball"at night and take her out when she needs to go. Give her two or three minutes to perform maxium, and if not, back into the crate. No monkey business allowed in the middle of the night, that is "nite-nite" time. No treats either in the middle of the nights. Treats and praise are for daytime potty.

Another trick I learned from @krandall is I give Ricky a nite-nite cookie (in Ricky's case, a slice of dehydrated banana) right before he goes to bed. When I say "nite-nite time" Ricky goes charging to his crate and opens the crate door with his nose and jumps inside to get his cookie!

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As far as Dads go, maybe I could have a little talk with him! What I hate is when my daughter's 60lb. Aussie jumps on my bed and starts licking my face at 4:30am!

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The "cover the crate" trick worked for Ricky. Now, after all these years, he prefers to sleep with the cover over his crate. He thinks of it as his secret cave. I would also suggest you keep the crate in your bedroom so you can hear the "fur ball"at night and take her out when she needs to go. Give her two or three minutes to perform maxium, and if not, back into the crate. No monkey business allowed in the middle of the night, that is "nite-nite" time. No treats either in the middle of the nights. Treats and praise are for daytime potty.

Another trick I learned from @krandall is I give Ricky a nite-nite cookie (in Ricky's case, a slice of dehydrated banana) right before he goes to bed. When I say "nite-nite time" Ricky goes charging to his crate and opens the crate door with his nose and jumps inside to get his cookie!

(I love you Tia Karen, muchas gracias. Siempre su amigo, Ricky Ricardo)

As far as Dads go, maybe I could have a little talk with him! What I hate is when my daughter's 60lb. Aussie jumps on my bed and starts licking my face at 4:30am! <img src="http://www.havaneseforum.com/images/smilies/smilies/brick.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Brick" class="inlineimg" />

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Hey thanks that reminds me that’s how I taught my old dog to like her kennel, I gave her treats for going in. I do that with Stella....but she’s a lot more hesitant to do it after having spent several nights in there.

I wonder if I can cover her crate with a towel/blanket that smells like me so that way she has the smell and can’t see that I’m not in there with her. New idea!
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Thanks I wish my dad could understand this. So I should just be taking her out every time she cries, even if it’s like an hour after the first time?
For now, yes. But I WOULDN'T be setting an alarm or waking HER up. You will train her to go more often rather than less often that way. There is a saying, "Never wake a sleeping baby"... It applies to puppies too! LOL!

One thing, though, I read something about household noises waking her up. Is there any reason you are putting her to bed before the household? Probably shouldn't.


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[quote=pting619;1417948]The crate training I received was to make sure she goes potty before going into her crate at night. We also included the stuffed dog that makes a heart beat sound. When she first wakes crying, take her to go potty. After, put her back in her crate. If she starts again to cry, ignore her. Jessie’s first night..(her crate is in our room but not next to the bed) as instructed, I took her out to potty the first time she woke crying. The second time, I ignored her. She did fuss and whine for a while, but finally settled back down. That was the first and last night she fussed. Sleeps through the night with no problem. Jessie was 10 weeks old at the time. She is 15 weeks old and has no problem with being in her crate or sleeping through the night!

10-15 weeks is a lot different from an 8 week old puppy, and I'm not sure how old this one is. Mine usually slept through by 10 weeks too. But an 8 week old puppy probably can't make it through for the first couple of weeks.

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My understanding of this breed, is they want to be around you. Having the crate in another part of the house, isolates her! I can see you don’t want to get into the situation you had before. But if she is consistently kept in her crate at night, it shouldn’t be a problem. It’s the on the bed this time, in the crate next time, that is confusing! When there is a choice, going to pick the bed every time.
This is certainly true, but they certainly can and will adjust to sleeping in a separate area too.


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