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I have the Richell tray in her expen and a PuppyGoHere litter tray in a room that we have fenced off for our pup. We had equine pine pellets in both. She started off using both equally and was very good about it. We only had less than 8-10 accidents since bringing her home. Now that she is older she either goes outside or the litter tray. I think she sees her Richell tray in her expen as an extension of her living space and does not want to soil it. Sometimes we catch her sleeping on the grates of the tray (which are clean!)

I have been thinking about removing the tray from the expen, but i feel like it’s a nice option for her if we are out of the house and she really needs to go.

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Mikki, did your dog switch easily from one grated potty system to another? I bought the Richell Paw Trax tray, and although it works with the pine pellets, it's not perfect. I think the Blyss would be better because I can snap the grate over the pellets, rather than down into the tray like the Richell. Unfortunately, I didn't know about the Blyss when I bought the Richell. My puppy is starting to do well indoor potty training with the Richell, and I'm afraid if I switch to the Blyss, he'll regress.

I'm just wondering how easy (or not) it is to switch from one grated system to another.
Mine didn't have any trouble using different brands. Maybe it's the smell of the pine pellets once he learned with the first tray?
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We did start out with the PuppyGoHere trays, and he was doing fabulously with them, but then being a puppy and all, he would try to eat the pellets. So we switched to the Richell system, and there was some regression, which is the reason for my hesitation to switch. It could be he regressed because I didn't know what I was doing and couldn't tell if he was sniffing to pee or because he is a dog. I'm better at reading his signs now, though. Maybe I'll just cross my fingers and make the switch!

Virginia, my puppy likes to lie down on his Richell tray, too!
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Mikki, did your dog switch easily from one grated potty system to another? I bought the Richell Paw Trax tray, and although it works with the pine pellets, it's not perfect. I think the Blyss would be better because I can snap the grate over the pellets, rather than down into the tray like the Richell. Unfortunately, I didn't know about the Blyss when I bought the Richell. My puppy is starting to do well indoor potty training with the Richell, and I'm afraid if I switch to the Blyss, he'll regress.

I'm just wondering how easy (or not) it is to switch from one grated system to another.
Ha!! I, too, worried every time I changed something.

Patti never had a problem switching from artificial turf, to the Richell Paw Trax with pee pads to Byliss and UgoDog using Equine Pellets or Shavings. I always rubbed some of her pee on the new grate or system. Maybe that helped. Patti was still using an ex-pen during all these changes of trays.

Around 5-6 months, I started transitioning and put a potty tray in different areas of the house and showed her where these were located. Around 10-months I took down the ex-pen and gates in other rooms, and gave her free range to most of the house.

I really like the Byliss tray. It snaps down on the edges and is deep enough for the pellets. UgoDog's grate fits inside the tray and doesn't snap down. Byliss is half the size of UgoDog but I've found the Byliss works even though Patti is full grown and weighs about 13-14lbs. I use both UgoDog and Byliss because I happen to own both.

Using an ex-pen and doing indoor house breaking with potty trays was very easy and quick. Patti was basically housebroken by 3-months to one room. The ex-pen door opened into a family-kitchen area where there was a lot of activity. I gated off the second entrance to this room, which confined her to the room when the ex-pen the door was opened. The flooring was tile. I had very few potty accidents in the house.

When we were busy and didn't have eyes on her or left the area, Patti was confined to the ex-pen where she had a blanket, water, food, toys and the potty tray. At 5-months we moved to a summer condo where we set up an ex-pen with a potty tray. She had no problem transitioning to another location using the potty tray.

Although, I had read about indoor house breaking a dog, I was reluctant to do it. At first I tried outdoor house breaking but it was exhausting. I had the ex-pen and potty tray set up and Patti was housebreaking herself indoors. So, I focused on indoor house breaking and love it! We have a condo in the mountains with no yard. She uses the indoor potty trays and we don't have to rush to take her out for a walk in the mornings or worry if we leave for the afternoon or day. During storming, cold, rainy or snowy days I don't have a problem.

We fenced our yard about two-months ago. Patti now asks to go outside and does most of her business outdoors. But, still uses the potty trays once in a while, which are located under a desk in an office and one in a bathroom.

My understanding is indoor house breaking needs to be done at the get-go when the dogs are young puppies. Kendrall encouraged me to NOT switch to out door housebreaking until the dog is fully trained to the indoor system. ALL dogs prefer to go outside and will naturally do it later. Dogs trained to go outside, do not transition to an indoor house potty system.
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Crate Training I had an ex-pen in the main part of the house so Patti was with everyone. At night she slept in our bedroom in a crate until about 6 months. For the most part she slept through the night but sometimes got up around 3 a.m. I took her to the ex-pen to "do her job" and returned her to the crate where she slept until morning.

If I did this again I would do the night crate differently. My crate was big enough I could have placed her bed on one side and a potty pad on the other half. That way she most likely would have gotten up and peed on the pad, NOT waking me up.

Patti had never eliminated in her crate and I was concerned if I put a potty pad in the crate, she might decide it was OK to potty in the crate. Sounds crazy as I write this.

Patti figured out if she barked I would come and take her out of the crate to pee. Being a little Smart @ss , she began waking me up every few hours with a little Awf!! I wanted to ignore her but was concerned she might eliminate in the crate if I didn't take her out to pee.

I was an exhausted puppy mom, so I decided to put her in our bed. She slept through the whole night and never went back to crate sleeping. We're all happy with this arrangement. Most of the night Patti sleeps in our closet behind clothes. As the night progresses she gets on the bed or sleeps on the floor. She gets hot, I think.

Don't exactly know the Moral to that Story ... Or, if potty pads in crates work or not.
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I was an exhausted puppy mom, so I decided to put her in our bed. She slept through the whole night and never went back to crate sleeping. We're all happy with this arrangement.
We hope to get there one day!! Our old lady maltipoo Daisy has reign of the bed right now, so we want to wait about a year before we let the puppy intrude on her space. Last night was our first night with Ferdie and she cried in her crate for maybe half an hour before she settled down. Had her next to the bed w/ a blanket over the crate w/ one side flapped up so she could see us in bed. Just tried to ignore her and let her wind herself down, which she did. Woke up at 4 to go out and cried another 20 minutes before she got quiet again, just before I was going to try and take her back out!! I think at that point she just laid in the crate awake until we also got up at like 7, cause every time I popped my head up to see what she was doing, she also popped her head up.

We're crate training her now using her crate and expen in the living room. She cries and cries in the crate so we've tried taking her out to pee again and then coming back inside to the crate if she doesn't eliminate. Seems like she thinks it's playtime out back (small yard) cause she just bites the plants and hops around. Wondering if that keeps her from learning this is a time to try to potty. Either way, she just cries and cries if we have to put her back in there!! It's sad to see but are we supposed to keep going back and forth to the bathroom or at some point do we just not take her out and hope she just stops crying? Karen said she never crated except to sleep, so we're debating just putting her in the whole expen instead of the crate but she fusses almost just as much!

It's only day 2, so I know we're just getting started. Just want to make sure we're doing what's best for her!
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When Ferdie goes into the yard to potty is she on a leash or does she have run of the yard? Taking her out on a leash lets you control the space she is allowed to explore and lets you take her to a specific potty area of the yard. After she potties then she can have some fun time in the yard. If you are going to stick with the crate to potty train then she does have to go back in there if she didn't potty and you try again in a little while. You are only on day two so this is early in the game and they will try every trick in the book to get you to feel sorry for them enough to take them out of the crate or pen and be free! If you decide to not use the crate to train then you will need a potty area in the expen. Otherwise, you will most likely have accidents in any space bigger than the crate with such a young puppy. Hang in there!
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When Ferdie goes into the yard to potty is she on a leash or does she have run of the yard? Taking her out on a leash lets you control the space she is allowed to explore and lets you take her to a specific potty area of the yard. After she potties then she can have some fun time in the yard. If you are going to stick with the crate to potty train then she does have to go back in there if she didn't potty and you try again in a little while. You are only on day two so this is early in the game and they will try every trick in the book to get you to feel sorry for them enough to take them out of the crate or pen and be free! If you decide to not use the crate to train then you will need a potty area in the expen. Otherwise, you will most likely have accidents in any space bigger than the crate with such a young puppy. Hang in there!
We haven't been using a leash but we have a pretty small back yard (only about 4x15 of dirt). It's just hard to know if she really has to go or not because she cries from the moment we stick her back in! And all this talk about not rewarding bad behavior makes me not want to take her back out of the crate when she's crying to go outside. I feel like I understand the rules, but they're hard to line up!
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We hope to get there one day!! Our old lady maltipoo Daisy has reign of the bed right now, so we want to wait about a year before we let the puppy intrude on her space. Last night was our first night with Ferdie and she cried in her crate for maybe half an hour before she settled down. Had her next to the bed w/ a blanket over the crate w/ one side flapped up so she could see us in bed. Just tried to ignore her and let her wind herself down, which she did. Woke up at 4 to go out and cried another 20 minutes before she got quiet again, just before I was going to try and take her back out!! I think at that point she just laid in the crate awake until we also got up at like 7, cause every time I popped my head up to see what she was doing, she also popped her head up.

We're crate training her now using her crate and expen in the living room. She cries and cries in the crate so we've tried taking her out to pee again and then coming back inside to the crate if she doesn't eliminate. Seems like she thinks it's playtime out back (small yard) cause she just bites the plants and hops around. Wondering if that keeps her from learning this is a time to try to potty. Either way, she just cries and cries if we have to put her back in there!! It's sad to see but are we supposed to keep going back and forth to the bathroom or at some point do we just not take her out and hope she just stops crying? Karen said she never crated except to sleep, so we're debating just putting her in the whole expen instead of the crate but she fusses almost just as much!

It's only day 2, so I know we're just getting started. Just want to make sure we're doing what's best for her!
Here is my suggestion: Use the crate for sleeping. And, don't worry about Ferdie not eliminating when you take her outside. Use the ex-pen during the day. In the ex-pen have a fluffy bed, toys, water, a potty tray and feed and give her treats in the ex-pen. The ex-pen should be in the busy part of your home. She wants to see and be with you and the family. When you have eyes on her open the door and let her wonder in and out of the ex-pen. If you can. block off the room with the ex-pen that way it keeps her confined to a small room area ... all the better. When Ferdie gets sleepy put her inside the ex-pen and close the door. Puppies nap a lot. You can, also, move her to the crate for mid morning or afternoon naps. I let my puppy, Patti, sleep in the ex-pen during the day. I used the crate at night.

If you don't want to indoor house break Ferdie, take her outside on a leash and give her a verbal command. Go Pee. Do Your Job, or whatever fits your style. When she pees or poop, give her a small treat with lots of praise. It's called having a party. After Ferdie eliminates let her play around before taking her back in. As she gets older she'll figure out she'll be taken back inside after eliminating and will hold it instead of going on command.

If she doesn't eliminate take her back inside and put her in the ex-pen. You can wait a little while and take her outside again. However, if Ferdie feels the need to go and you don't catch her in time, she'll most likely go to the potty tray. If she does praise and give her a treat. You want Ferdie to potty on the tray or outside, not on the floor or around the house. If you catch her starting to pee or poo, Clap Your Hands. That often stops them. Pick her up and take her outside. Or, put her on the potty tray if you decide to indoor-house break her.

Puppies pee and poo ALL the time. You can take them outside. They'll do their job. Bring them right back inside and they'll do it again.

It's much easier, quicker, along with lots of benefits using the indoor-house breaking method. My puppy was housebroken the first day when we put her in the ex-pen. She housebroke herself because she naturally used the potty tray. Dogs don't want to eliminate where they sleep or play. Of course, at 8 weeks if she wondered too far from the ex-pen she had to be taught how to get back to the ex-pen to potty.

I tried outdoor house breaking. I read... take them out every 30 minutes. Well... my experience was Pattie peed and pooped all the time. Then I tried every 15 minutes. Brought her back in and she peed again.

NEVER remove Ferdie when she crying or barking to get out of the crate or ex-pen. Wait 10 seconds until they stop then take them out. Otherwise, she'll bark or cry all the time until you take her out. Sounds like you're doing that. At night or during the day when she's wakes up take her out to pee on the potty tray or outside. She might give you a little Yelp! saying I need to go.

You want Ferdie to love the ex-pen and crate. Patti loved her ex-pen because all her Stuff was in there. When we gave her a treat or new toy, she would take it into her ex-pen. Sometimes I would remove all her toys and put them outside of the ex-pen for her to play with. One by one she would take them back inside the ex-pen. So cute! Even when Patti was playing outside of the ex-pen, when she needed to pee or poo she would run back inside the ex-pen to the potty tray.

I would use the crate for sleeping and keep it in your room if that's where she sleeps at night. Put a treat in the crate for napping or night sleeping. She'll learn to look forward to going.

KEEP IN MIND ... DOGS WHO ARE INDOOR-HOUSEBROKEN, ARE HOUSEBROKEN AND ALL EVENTUALLY PREFER AND WANT TO GO OUTSIDE. SO, IT'S OK FOR YOUR PUPPY TO PEE ON THE POTTY PAD, WHILE YOUR ALSO OUTDOOR HOUSEBREAKING. YOU'RE GOING TO BE A TIRED, EXHAUSTED PUPPY MOM FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. SO MAKE IT EASY ON YOURSELF AND PUPPY. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS YOU WANT THE DOG TO LEARN TO GO IN WHERE THEIR SUPPOSE TO GO. ON A POTTY TRAY OR OUTSIDE. IF YOU WANT TO DO INDOOR-HOUSEBREAKING DON'T TRAIN THEM TO GO OUTSIDE. THEY'LL NATURALLY DO THAT LATER.

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We haven't been using a leash but we have a pretty small back yard (only about 4x15 of dirt). It's just hard to know if she really has to go or not because she cries from the moment we stick her back in! And all this talk about not rewarding bad behavior makes me not want to take her back out of the crate when she's crying to go outside. I feel like I understand the rules, but they're hard to line up!
The tips that worked for me that I'd like to share.
1. Cover the crate at night. I get a treat she gets only at night. For Zumba, it’s dried banana chips. I break it up and we go to her crate. I put the chips inside, and She goes in to get it. I say “good night’ and close the door, and then cover the cage so she can not see out at all. She is nice and cozy in there. This worked from the very first night.

2. If she whimpers, I would put my fingers in there to let her know she’s not alone. She knows it, but needed the reinforcement for the first couple of nights. Don’t talk when you dangle your fingers. Just fingers. That’s all the reassurance your baby needs. After all, she just left her home. With all the siblings, cousins, and other companions. She should lick your fingers, and settle back down. If she doesn’t, then she may need to go out to potty.

3. To say to NEVER take out a dog if barking, is rather harsh, I’d say. Zumba has been sick a couple of times during the night and I am glad I paid attention when her whimper turned into a bark. She was telling me, “I am serious. I need to get out NOW.” My advice here is to be patient. You and your dog will learn to communicate.

4. By the way, no food and little water from 2 hours before bedtime, so there should be less need for potty during the night. Except for that one little treat.

Good luck. Enjoy! They do get older.
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