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Advice Would Be Welcomed on Bell Training for Potty

I want to train Willow to ring a bell when she needs to go to potty. I pulled some instructions off the internet. Sounds simple enough (Ha Ha). The instructions uses a clicker to shape the behavior. Click, treat when she looks at the bell, touches the bell, rings the bell. I've done shaping to teach some tricks before so I understand the method I think. When she understands that she needs to ring the bell, I'm to stop the click/treat on quiet rings and only do it on louder rings which is supposed to be "selective" training.

Then I present the bell when I know she needs to go potty and click when she rings it, take her out immediately to go without a treat. Once she figures out she needs to ring the bell to go potty, then I hang the bell up. If she starts ringing the bell when I'm pretty sure she really doesn't have to go, I am to ignore it. Only take her out when I'm about 80% sure she will go potty.

This is where I think I'll run into trouble. The instructions say that some dogs are really hard to train as they "will find bell ringing intrinsically reinforcing". I'm afraid that will be Willow.

Any tips would really be appreciated.

How many of you have had success in teaching this behavior?



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Hi there I bell trained my Havanese to ring the bell and go potty. I am not saying that I went about it correctly. First of all, i have never used a clicker to shape a behavior etc. Again, not saying u shouldn't use a clicker. I just don't c the reason for it. Now, for ringing the bell to potty. What I did was say potty outside, and I rang the bell each and every time I took him out to potty. Then I lifted his little paw and said potty outside and made him ring the bell. Did that for quite a few times, then just kept hitting it myself and trying to get him to do it. Eventually, I tried to get him to do it on his own and treated as a trick, in and of itself. I gave him treats for hittiin the bell, even if it was accidental. He caught on to ringing bell, and then he took advantage of it. Kept ringing it ALL THE TIME. But I did let him out each and every time, because they need to understand that,, truly, when they ring that bell, they will b let out. Just make sure and say potty outside when they ring the bell. They will take advantage of it, but eventually, they will ring it only for potty. Good luck! I hope this works. It did for me. There may b other methods that are more effective for u 🙂
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I bell trained Bodie by doing pretty much what Julie Brynn did. I would say go potty outside ring the bell and then left his paw to ring the bell. I did this every time we went outside to go potty and I was amazed how quickly he caught on. It was a week if that. Sometimes when heís ready to eat and itís not quite time he will go over and ring the bell and sit by his bowl. 😆. But all in all itís a great way for them to let you know they need to go out. Good luck!
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Thanks for the tips and encouragement. I wish we had a fenced in area for Willow. I have to put her on a leash everytime I take her out. It would be nice if I could just open the door and let her do her thing. I haven't started the training yet. I need to get a bell and figure out where and how to hang it. She's pretty smart so I think she'll learn to ring the bell. She might be too smart though and figure if she rings it she'll get some sort of attention rather than just potty!



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Sometimes when heís ready to eat and itís not quite time he will go over and ring the bell and sit by his bowl. 😆.
I love that!
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I have been nervous to start bell training even though I have the bell all ready to go. A few weeks ago he had a few mats and so I reintroduced treats during grooming instead of just after. After just a few sessions he started randomly laying on my lap to be groomed in the middle of the day, and when I would comb around his tail he would turn around and lift up his chin for me to comb his neck instead (he has always disliked being combed around his tail). He wanted treats! Even though it seems unrelated, it just reminded me how smart he is and how quickly he learns. I think once he realizes he can go outside each time he rings the bell, heíll do it. My plan is to not worry about whether or not he is ringing the bell to go outside or to go potty, because I will have him ďgo pottyĒ on command anyway and bring him right back inside. Iíll let you know if I regret that!
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We don't have a fenced in yard either 🙁. I dislike it IMMENSELY. So, because I'm lazy, I bought a long leash, maybe 10 ft, or 20, or more (I honestly can't remember) and have one end of it tied to my deck, and the other end laying right outside by the door. When my fur baby rings the bell, I just attach the leash to his collar, he does his business, walks around, sniffs the air, etc, and then scratches sliding door to get back in. I've read some people in here put bells outside too so they can ring them and be let back in, but I don't care that he scratches door. I would loooove a fensed in yard. Then I would actually put a doggy door and they can go whenever they want, and run around the yard.
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I haven't bell trained - but the part of ignoring if if you think he doesn't _really_ need to go out doesn't seem right. Similarly to asking to go out - in the beginning you have to let them out every time they ask. Once you are absolutely sure they have it down and know that asking is to go out - then maybe you can ignore (I will admit that I ignore Perry now sometimes when he asks to go out because I know it's not to potty but to go bark at the neighbors dog) - but in the beginning you want him to associate ringing the bell with going out and going out with going potty. If ringing the bell only sometimes gets him outside I'm not sure he'll make the connection.
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Hi there I bell trained my Havanese to ring the bell and go potty. I am not saying that I went about it correctly. First of all, i have never used a clicker to shape a behavior etc. Again, not saying u shouldn't use a clicker. I just don't c the reason for it. Now, for ringing the bell to potty. What I did was say potty outside, and I rang the bell each and every time I took him out to potty. Then I lifted his little paw and said potty outside and made him ring the bell. Did that for quite a few times, then just kept hitting it myself and trying to get him to do it. Eventually, I tried to get him to do it on his own and treated as a trick, in and of itself. I gave him treats for hittiin the bell, even if it was accidental. He caught on to ringing bell, and then he took advantage of it. Kept ringing it ALL THE TIME. But I did let him out each and every time, because they need to understand that,, truly, when they ring that bell, they will b let out. Just make sure and say potty outside when they ring the bell. They will take advantage of it, but eventually, they will ring it only for potty. Good luck! I hope this works. It did for me. There may b other methods that are more effective for u 🙂
This is how I trained my dogs to Bark to go outside.

I'd take them to the door and Bark .. "Arf Arf." Then I'd open the door and they'd go outside.

Eventually, they learned to say "Arf Arf " all by themselves to go outside.

Better than that is Doggie Door. Then they can come and go as needed without asking.
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Thats so cool!!!!!! Im going to have to try that one. I never even thought of that!
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