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I need to spend a couple of sessions with a trainer on Reliable Call Back.

Patti does readily respond to a call back command within the home or the confined fenced area. Unless there's something more interesting. That's often the time you want them to Come ... Right Now!

If she accidentally gets out of the fence and discovers a rabbit I shudder to think she might end up in a wooded area in the briar patch. OTOH ... rabbits are quick and will probably outrun her and she'll lose interest in trying to follow. I hope.

As she's gotten older Patti has gotten better about coming when called. 98% of the time I have a Treat because I want her to Come! when called.
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One of the things we’ve done with Dexter is work with the command Wait. He has to wait at any doorway or other type of door ( ie car door) to be released to go out. We’re still working on it being a default behavior, but he will do it with the wait command. That might help? We used a long lead attached to our waist when teaching it to him at the front door in case he bolted😉. Just another idea to help her from running in the first place... Our recall isn’t as good as the wait command so we’re still a work in progress on that one!
Yes! This is another good one! We also have a "back" cue, so they will back away from the door if we are carrying in large packages.

And yes, our "default" for the car, just like for crates, is that you never, EVER leave the car (or crate) without a verbal release. It's just too dangerous. They are almost always crated in the car, so it becomes the same thing...
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I need to spend a couple of sessions with a trainer on Reliable Call Back.

Patti does readily respond to a call back command within the home or the confined fenced area. Unless there's something more interesting. That's often the time you want them to Come ... Right Now!

If she accidentally gets out of the fence and discovers a rabbit I shudder to think she might end up in a wooded area in the briar patch. OTOH ... rabbits are quick and will probably outrun her and she'll lose interest in trying to follow. I hope.
Unfortunately, a couple of sessions are really unlikely to give you a reliable recall. That comes from months and months of practice, with increasing levels of distraction, with heavy rewards for success. So the HABIT becomes returning to base. (the handler) It's really similar to potty training in that way. It's just that most owners aren't as motivated to make it happen. Even then, it needs to be maintained with regular practice. ESPECIALLY in the face of really attractive distractions like rabbits and deer!

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As she's gotten older Patti has gotten better about coming when called. 98% of the time I have a Treat because I want her to Come! when called.
98% of the time you SHOULD have a treat so that those few times that you DON'T you have "money in the bank". You just don't TELL her you have a treat until after she has arrived, and you pat her and make a fuss over her for coming back. Then it's a reward rather than a bribe.

And... For SEVERAL years with Kodi when he was younger, we STILL had our "emergency recall", which was "WANT CHICKEN?" THAT works for everything other than horse poop. I am afraid there is still a glitch in his brain that interprets a recall command in the face of horse poop as "EAT FASTER!!!" The only GOOD thing is that horse poop always roots him to the spot. there is no worry of him running away. You just have to run TO him and pick him up so he doesn't eat the entire thing!!! <sigh> We had to put chicken wire on the outside of all the paddock fences when we got Kodi to keep him out of the paddocks and away from the delightful breakfast bar.


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All I can say is work, work, WORK on reliable recalls!

You are both right... NEVER chase them!!! That’s a game you can’t win. Another “trick” that will work as long as it’s not abused, is to “find” something “yummy” in the grass. Get down on your hands and knees. Make a HUGE big deal of how FANTASTIC whatever you’ve found is. Dogs are INCREDIBLY gullible, curious, and they LOVE to share “found stuff”. Make SURE you have something yummy for them when they get there. Make SURE you do NOT immediately GRAB them. Skritch them as they eat their “found” treasure, share the “moment” with them, then gently pick them up and bring them back in the house while tou celebrate your wonderful adventure together.
We don’t really have a problem with ours getting out, but that’s in part because the few times he has were HUGE dramatic events we wanted to prevent repeating. We are always really good about recall games for a couple if weeks after an “incident.” It seems like it’s been at least a year, but it feels like I might be forgetting something.

I tell my kids all the time not to pick him up immediately after “luring” him. The other day I was impatient and irritable and I impulsively scooped him up when he took the bait. He was trying to lure ME upstairs to play and I was busy and distracted and trying to get him behind the doggy gate so he would stop running up there. He looked at me so betrayed, and stayed like 4 feet away from me for the next 2 hours. I felt SO guilty afterwards. Never again! to think I TRICKED him when he just wanted a little attention
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I COULD HARDLY BELIEVE IT ..but Daddy opened the front door this morning without thinking and Patti Zipped out Like a Flash down the walkway into driveway.

I said .. DO NOT GO AFTER HER!! Come inside the house. Of course, he had to keep checking on where she was darting back and forth. I told him to come inside and let me do it. DON'T GO AFTER HER!!!

Karen ... Your trick of getting down and finding something really interesting in the grass worked. I had treats and Patti came running to see what I'd found ... although she would not get close enough for me to touch her ... she started looking and found treats in the grass. I didn't try to touch or pick her up. THANKS! FOR THAT SUGGESTION

I got up and hurried inside the front door acting excited I found some good treats and she followed. I was able quickly shut the door. Didn't try to pick her up. Of course she got an extra special treat

I'll be training with ... WANT CHICKEN, a treat Patti can't resist.

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I COULD HARDLY BELIEVE IT ..but Daddy opened the front door this morning without thinking and Patti Zipped out Like a Flash down the walkway into driveway.

I said .. DO NOT GO AFTER HER!! Come inside the house. Of course, he had to keep checking on where she was darting back and forth. I told him to come inside and let me do it. DON'T GO AFTER HER!!!

Karen ... Your trick of getting down and finding something really interesting in the grass worked. I had treats and Patti came running to see what I'd found ... although she would not get close enough for me to touch her ... she started looking and found treats in the grass. I didn't try to touch or pick her up. THANKS! FOR THAT SUGGESTION

I got up and hurried inside the front door acting excited I found some good treats and she followed. I was able quickly shut the door. Didn't try to pick her up. Of course she got an extra special treat

I'll be training with ... WANT CHICKEN, a treat Patti can't resist.
LOL! They ARE gullible! You just have to make sure IT PAYS!!!
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We don’t really have a problem with ours getting out, but that’s in part because the few times he has were HUGE dramatic events we wanted to prevent repeating. We are always really good about recall games for a couple if weeks after an “incident.” It seems like it’s been at least a year, but it feels like I might be forgetting something.

I tell my kids all the time not to pick him up immediately after “luring” him. The other day I was impatient and irritable and I impulsively scooped him up when he took the bait. He was trying to lure ME upstairs to play and I was busy and distracted and trying to get him behind the doggy gate so he would stop running up there. He looked at me so betrayed, and stayed like 4 feet away from me for the next 2 hours. I felt SO guilty afterwards. Never again! to think I TRICKED him when he just wanted a little attention
Be careful EvaE1izabeth, that mommy guilt can be crippling! You assessed what was happening and vowed to change. You’re obviously a senior member because you care and love all your kids. It’s also definitely easier to train a new dog when there is another trained dog in the house. I switched my E-mail alert to a doorbell sound when we first got our youngest last year. I did have to be ready to respond immediately to the dogs but within a week they had it. Now I just say “stay back” and still reward them with praise each time.
Kudos to you for being an astute momy❣️
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I switched my E-mail alert to a doorbell sound when we first got our youngest last year.
That is so smart! The wheels are already turning on how I can use this...

I always tell my kids, strengths and weaknesses are linked, but I missed it in this case. The fact that mine believes every sound on the tv is real is sometimes a huge pain, but it could become a real advantage!
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