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P LEASE TELL ME THERE IS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL... We have a just turned 9 month old male who is still not house trained. He will be outside for two hours playing with the kids... or on a two mile walk... and come inside and poop on the floor... he crates at night and has no accidents... he has had his bladder tested just in case for a kidney infection... but there is no rhyme or reason to this... He will lift his leg on the wall... or squat... help!
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See my response on the lifting leg thread.
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Im guessing you have not had him fixed? Are you planning to?
It sounds like he may be marking. Do you have other dogs?

Getting them to poop outside is the hardest. I have finally blocked off every room they can "escape" to. I had to pull up all my rugs, and block off all rooms I cant see. When Im gone, they are kept in our kitchen with wood floors and never have accidents.

When Im here, its amazing how fast they can sneak off and poop and come back. My boy seems harder to train than my girl was.

Tom is right, it boils down to supervision. And sometimes I have to go out in the grass and just wait and wait for them to go. Then make a HUGE deal about it. We will see. The best thing is to catch them in the act when they go in the house, so you can tell them no.
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When I'm potty training a dog it's either in an expen or on a leash outside.

When in an expen I start when the pup first wakes up. I go over and stand next to the litter box (or whatever other method-paper or piddle pads) and say "go potty". This is the important part--NO baby talk. No reinforcement of any kind-not even eye contact. The trainer is allowed to relax and breathe and that's it. The pup of course wants attention and to play but it gets no reinforcement UNTIL exactly after it finishes pottying. Then pick up and "make much" over the puppy and let it out to run and play. When expen training, if after minute or so if nothing happens, I go and sit down in my chair, which is 2 steps away from the pen, and completely ignore the puppy. If the pup goes into the box, I go back to the same position by the box before the pup starts to do anything and say "go potty". As in training any animal, timing is everything.

When training to go outside, the pup is still in an expen, but at the appropriate times it is taken outside. It the same sort of thing. No reinforcement until after the pottying. I stand there and say "go potty". No walking all over the place and sniffing everything until after going potty. No tug of war on the leash allowed-EVER. This might take longer outside because it's too much trouble and the timing might not be right to go back in the house. The first time it might take 20 seconds or it might take all day. It doesn't matter. The important part is the timing of the praise after they go potty. Until then their world stops turning and waits. These dogs are very smart so they will learn the drill quickly WITH PROPER TIMNG OF THE PRAISE.

I can have an eleven week old puppy squatting and trying to pee in the box even if they don't have to do anything just so they can get attention and come out to play. I say eleven week old because that's usually the age that we only have one. I'm sure it would work with an 8 week old too but it doesn't work as good when you have more than one at the time.

This is potty training. Only after potty training can we move on to housetraining. We have Heart Pine floors and Persian rugs. We have twelve dogs that live in and out of the house including 3 intact males. Something over a hundred puppies have come out of here. The rugs have never been pottied on.

The potty training can be messed up though. Pam will occasionally spend a LOT of time with a puppy owner on the phone and email correcting problems. The problem is always too much freedom and the owner assuming that potty trained means housetrained.
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Oh, the 12 week old that we are babysitting for now (we have owners who will drive across two states to leave one of our dogs with us when they leave home for some time or not leave home) barks when she needs to go outside. She likes to go outside but she has already learned that when she goes out that she has to potty first before having fun.
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Tom,
You don't have any problems with your intact males 'marking' in the house, either?
Wow. You must be the 'Dog Whisperer' LOL.
I need to send Cru for a visit!
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Hi, I got a male Havanese puppy 3 days ago. So far he pees on a puppy pad pretty reliably, but has no idea he's supposed to go outside and do it. He just runs around and waits until he comes inside to pee. I've made sure his scent is at the site where I want him to go. He just gets too excited and then has to take a nap! He's 3 1/2 months old and was only paper trained at the breeder's house. How long will this go on? Thanks.
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Dawna, The only time there's trouble is when we have a female just coming into heat. At the first sign of one maybe forgeting and starting to lift a leg I express my displeasure much louder than a whisper. There's usually a three way traffic jamb at the dog door immediately thereafter. Pam and I are both pack leaders and herd bosses here. From there we use belly bands until the bitch either starts her breeding cycle or until she is over the heat cycle if she's in a rest cycle. Once one of the males starts to breed a female the others accept it. Some even know which ones are theirs and don't offer any kind of challenge. The trouble is with the young bitches who haven't been claimed yet.
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Sherman, Be ready to take the pup outside as soon as possible when it first whimpers to wake up in the morning. It requires something ready quick to slip on. I'd use a leash and go back and read the part about standing in one place and no reinforcement until immediately after the pottying. First thing in the morning is the best time to start as the pup won't be able to resist going for very long.
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Tom,
The only female in our house is spayed. Cru still wants to mark pretty much anything that's standing still. I must not be a very good pack leader. lol
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