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Question All shots needed before walking outside??

Hi all, I need your help!

I brought home Maisie 8 days ago, she is now 12.5 weeks old. She just had her second shots 5 days ago, and will be due for the final ones in 3.5 weeks. I'm feeling very confused and torn about whether I can start walking her or even letting her play outside yet, since she hasn't had her third set of shots.

There seem to be two very different schools of thought about this, but I worry that my particular situation may be an important consideration. I live in a high-rise in a very high density area in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Pretty much any grass or sidewalk around here is travelled by many dogs. There is a very large park a block away but it has many raccoons and skunks. The skunks also venture into the neighbourhood as well.

The breeder told me not to let her onto the ground until she's had all her shots. The vet said socialization is more important. However she is located in an area of mainly houses where people have backyards. She wasn't a very good listener and so I didn't leave feeling satisfied that she had really understood my situation.

What should I do?! I take Maisie out for walks in my arms and she loves meeting new people, but she seems so desperate to get down and run around! It feels unnatural to me not to let a young pup run and play in the grass. It also is making house training more complicated. We are working on getting her to use P pads in the apartment, but my eventual hope is that she will be almost exclusively using the outdoors.

Thank you for your insights! I'm really hoping the consensus is to let her start playing in the grass, but of course I don't want her to become very ill.
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Many of us don't even give our Havanese puppies a third round of puppy shots. 99% of puppies are fully protected after their second shot. Those that are not protected at that point may be non-responders and never develop immunity. I would certainly be getting your puppy out and about at this stage. I would avoid dog parks, and, to the extent that it is possible, avoid letting her sniff poop left on the ground, etc.

But the bottom line is that your vet is correct... Proper socialization, which means exposure to her environment, is ULTRA important at her age.


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Thank you, thank you!! That's exactly what I was hoping to hear! Maybe it's just my own feelings about it, but I almost have a sense that she's a little bit depressed. She doesn't seem as playful or animated as the first few days here. I guess part of that might be leaving her sibs and mother too, but it sort of feels like keeping a child indoors all summer, while their friends are outside playing.
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When I brought Emmie home at 10 weeks we lived in a mid-rise condo building in downtown Seattle. I never kept her from walking on the sidewalks in the city or going to the bathroom on the grass areas in our neighborhood. I made sure she didn't sniff other dog's poo but that's about it. Early socialization was very important to me and being in an urban environment made it easy to socialize my puppy well.

She's 4.5 yrs now and still enjoys being a city dog and going on all kinds of adventures.

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Thanks, Jeanne, my neighbour over the border. Sounds like you're in a similar environment, so that's very reassuring! First thing tomorrow I'll take her for her debut walk! Can't wait.
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Hello, from Burnaby. When Mochi was young we would carry her everywhere, letting her see and meet people outside Costco, Save-on, etc... She had her 1st socialization class after her 2nd set of shots. We would walk her on cement and the tennis court. I don't think I would let her walk downtown since so many dogs are around. We just tried to minimize the risk, but we still let her walk around.

Mochi potty trained using a patch of artificial grass on cement in our back patio.

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Thanks. I actually tried buying the box with real grass for her, but she didn't really take to it, preferred the pee pads. I just don't think I can stand not letting her run around outside any more, but I'll do what I can to minimize the risk! Maybe we'll bump into you and Mochi at an obedience class or something one day!
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please read this as your window for primary socialization is already starting to close. https://avsab.org/wp-content/uploads..._-_10-3-14.pdf

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That's very convincing, Dave, as are the other comments. Thank you all for being kind enough to take time for us newbies' questions. Too bad puppies don't come with a manual, but a consensus of peers is probably more reliable anyway!
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I wish it was that convincing to a lot of vets.
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