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we just brought our puppy, enzo home yesterday.. it was a tough day for him, throwing up a few times on the car ride home, and generally being nervous

today he is doing so much better! very playful, lots of whimpering though when not playing with him.. but we've been doing the shaker can training and he seems to be catching on (i hope!)


anyway, our breeder got our puppy started on newspaper, so we put down wee wee pads and then newspaper on top. he is amazingly so consistently going to the bathroom, both
#1 and #2 on the paper!

however, when i go in his pen to change the paper, he always starts to whine and starts hopping around

is this normal? and if so, whats the reason behind it? is it because he thinks thats "his" space?


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Enzo is a TINY little baby, who has been plucked away from the only home he has ever known, away from his siblings, his mother and his human "family". Now ask yourself again why he is whimpering. He's simply a baby trying to adjust to his new surroundings. Yay for him that he is continuing to use the papers provided, though don't be surprised if there are mistakes made.

And also, think about it. Scaring him by shaking cans with pennies isn't likely to help him relax and settle in faster. I don't think that's a very good way of teaching ANY dog not to carry on, but certainly not a puppy who has only been with you a couple of days. Be cheery around him without sounding TOO sympathetic. Play with him when he is quiet and ignore him when he is making noise. He'll soon figure out what works to get your attention. And he'll learn at least as fast as he would by you scaring him, and without the potential fall-out. (the fall out being that he could become afraid of loud noises, or in worst case scenario, you could actually make him afraid of YOU)


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Your new puppy is simply precious!
Not sure how much digging into old posts you have done yet so will share this as something a forum member posted that I am so grateful to
have had read before bringing my lil girly home.

Instead of shaking a can at the poor baby please read this-
we followed it to the letter & it worked like a charm over here!
Taking Measures to Prevent Separation Anxiety Related Behaviors | Whole Dog Journal

Past posts are a wealth of information- I was bookmarking posts & links shared for months and re-reading regularly.
And again while on the plane going to pic her up! lol
After waiting years for the right pup, I wanted to do my best with her following advice from the experts!
Good luck- these first few days home your lil Enzo will be a little lost.
My daughter actually slept on the floor in the expen next to the richell crate the first two nights to settle in our lil girly.
It was the sweetest thing!
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Your new puppy is simply precious!
Not sure how much digging into old posts you have done yet so will share this as something a forum member posted that I am so grateful to
have had read before bringing my lil girly home.

Instead of shaking a can at the poor baby please read this-
we followed it to the letter & it worked like a charm over here!
Taking Measures to Prevent Separation Anxiety Related Behaviors | Whole Dog Journal

Past posts are a wealth of information- I was bookmarking posts & links shared for months and re-reading regularly.
And again while on the plane going to pic her up! lol
After waiting years for the right pup, I wanted to do my best with her following advice from the experts!
Good luck- these first few days home your lil Enzo will be a little lost.
My daughter actually slept on the floor in the expen next to the richell crate the first two nights to settle in our lil girly.
It was the sweetest thing!


Thank you!! This is very helpful. Ive done a lot of searching, the web, and the forum. I seem to find a lot of conflicting info.

I agree with both you and krandall, i dont like the idea of the can. it feels mean. Sorting through a wealth of information out there can be difficult. We want to ensure we dont cause him to get SA, or start barking when we eventually go off to work each day..

I'll read through this now..


My main question that has me curious however, is the whimpering when i change his papers, im sure there is a good reason around this?

But if i add food to his bowl, take the water away and clean it, or switch toys, i get no whimpering. only when i change the dirty papers...

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My main question that has me curious however, is the whimpering when i change his papers, im sure there is a good reason around this?

But if i add food to his bowl, take the water away and clean it, or switch toys, i get no whimpering. only when i change the dirty papers...
Not sure why he is specifically whimpering at that time. but as long as you are up-beat and cheery about it, he'll start to relax. I DON'T think this is guarding behavior in any way, at this age. But even if it were, the answer would be the same... to just keep doing it, cheerily, with a smile on your faec and a kind word for him in passing.

if you are home with him full time right now, but will be going back to work, it is VITALLY important that you start right away the process of leaving and coming back, so he begins to realize that he is safe alone and that you WILL come back. At first, that may be just walking out the door for 30 seconds, listening for quiet, then coming back in. When you re-enter, do NOT immediately go to him, but put your keys and packages down, hang up your coat and wait for him to settle. (he may be WILDLY excited at first!) When he's calm, go and greet him VERY quietly and calmly. Gradually increase the length of time that you leave him alone, as you approach the time that you head back to work.

Puppies should never be left more than 3-4 hours without a play/potty break, so I hope you have made plans for this, or are working on it. Even as a full adult, you should plan on someone letting him out or taking him for a walk at least once a day if you work full time.

IMO, one of the ways we see a lot of SA inadvertently used is when people stay home ALL the time with the puppy for the first few weeks, and then the puppy suddenly has to adjust to long absences. Teach him gently, from the beginning, that absences are going to happen, but that you will ALWAYS come back to him.


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Not sure why he is specifically whimpering at that time. but as long as you are up-beat and cheery about it, he'll start to relax. I DON'T think this is guarding behavior in any way, at this age. But even if it were, the answer would be the same... to just keep doing it, cheerily, with a smile on your faec and a kind word for him in passing.

if you are home with him full time right now, but will be going back to work, it is VITALLY important that you start right away the process of leaving and coming back, so he begins to realize that he is safe alone and that you WILL come back. At first, that may be just walking out the door for 30 seconds, listening for quiet, then coming back in. When you re-enter, do NOT immediately go to him, but put your keys and packages down, hang up your coat and wait for him to settle. (he may be WILDLY excited at first!) When he's calm, go and greet him VERY quietly and calmly. Gradually increase the length of time that you leave him alone, as you approach the time that you head back to work.

Puppies should never be left more than 3-4 hours without a play/potty break, so I hope you have made plans for this, or are working on it. Even as a full adult, you should plan on someone letting him out or taking him for a walk at least once a day if you work full time.

IMO, one of the ways we see a lot of SA inadvertently used is when people stay home ALL the time with the puppy for the first few weeks, and then the puppy suddenly has to adjust to long absences. Teach him gently, from the beginning, that absences are going to happen, but that you will ALWAYS come back to him.

Check! Ive been doing that, just thought it was really interesting that he whines and gets really hyper! But i am glad he knows that's his place to go!

Thanks - these are some really great tips.

I will be home FT with him for the next 4 weeks. Even though its only starting day 3 today, ive been going in the bedroom and shutting the door for times here and there. and yesterday left the house for 40mins. Set up a camera, and when i came back watched the video and noticed he just stayed laying around in his crate and no noises!

its so challenging, but really fun so far! I cant wait for him to be ready to go outside for potty training and eventually walks

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Check! Ive been doing that, just thought it was really interesting that he whines and gets really hyper! But i am glad he knows that's his place to go!

Thanks - these are some really great tips.

I will be home FT with him for the next 4 weeks. Even though its only starting day 3 today, ive been going in the bedroom and shutting the door for times here and there. and yesterday left the house for 40mins. Set up a camera, and when i came back watched the video and noticed he just stayed laying around in his crate and no noises!

its so challenging, but really fun so far! I cant wait for him to be ready to go outside for potty training and eventually walks
You're right, it's awesome that your breeder took the time and effort to start the potty training process. It doesn't mean your job is done, but it's a HUGE help!!!

Be aware that going into another room isn't the same as leaving the house. Believe me, the dog still knows you are in the house. Kodi was HORRIBLE about me leaving him in his pen while I went to take a shower (he was a demanding little bugger, and as a first-time dog owner, I wasn't very good at saying "no" ) but he was FINE when I left him home alone for increasingly longer periods. I was more experienced by the time my girls hit the scene, and they were both quiet and well-behaved if I needed to shut them up while I was doing something and couldn't watch them.

It's awesome that Enzo is already settling nicely when you go out on an errand. You are doing just the right thing there, although, when you need to leave for longer periods of time, it would be better to set him up in an ex-pen, with his potty on one end and some toys and his water dish. (or bottle, if he's been trained to use a bottle) This gives him more room to move around, and also keeps him from soiling his crate if he can't hold it while you are out.

Unless you live in a very urban area, it is fine to take Enzo out in the yard, as long as he has had his first Parvo and Distemper shots. (which the breeder usually makes sure they have before leaving home) This is the critical period for socialization, (with humans, dogs and the world!) and that closes at around 16 weeks. You don't have long to get a LOT done! So get him out and about NOW, as much as you can, weather dependent, of course. If it's just too cold to get him out, make sure you are bringing LOTS of people, of both sexes to meet him in the house, and if you know other people with small, gentle dogs, have them bring them over to meet him too. Most important of all, sign him up for a good Puppy Kindergarten (NOT a Petco/Petsmart type!) ASAP!


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You're right, it's awesome that your breeder took the time and effort to start the potty training process. It doesn't mean your job is done, but it's a HUGE help!!!

Be aware that going into another room isn't the same as leaving the house. Believe me, the dog still knows you are in the house. Kodi was HORRIBLE about me leaving him in his pen while I went to take a shower (he was a demanding little bugger, and as a first-time dog owner, I wasn't very good at saying "no" ) but he was FINE when I left him home alone for increasingly longer periods. I was more experienced by the time my girls hit the scene, and they were both quiet and well-behaved if I needed to shut them up while I was doing something and couldn't watch them.

It's awesome that Enzo is already settling nicely when you go out on an errand. You are doing just the right thing there, although, when you need to leave for longer periods of time, it would be better to set him up in an ex-pen, with his potty on one end and some toys and his water dish. (or bottle, if he's been trained to use a bottle) This gives him more room to move around, and also keeps him from soiling his crate if he can't hold it while you are out.

Unless you live in a very urban area, it is fine to take Enzo out in the yard, as long as he has had his first Parvo and Distemper shots. (which the breeder usually makes sure they have before leaving home) This is the critical period for socialization, (with humans, dogs and the world!) and that closes at around 16 weeks. You don't have long to get a LOT done! So get him out and about NOW, as much as you can, weather dependent, of course. If it's just too cold to get him out, make sure you are bringing LOTS of people, of both sexes to meet him in the house, and if you know other people with small, gentle dogs, have them bring them over to meet him too. Most important of all, sign him up for a good Puppy Kindergarten (NOT a Petco/Petsmart type!) ASAP!
Good advice for going into the other room, thank you for that!

It is very hard to say no to attention, but we are doing well i think - only handling/playing with him for 20ish minutes every few hours


i have a pen setup - photo attached.

We do live in NYC in a building with other dogs. We have our first vet appt today, and his last vaccine is due around jan 10th

I want to start bringing him to meet people, would the best thing to do is put him in the carrier and bring him out?
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Good advice for going into the other room, thank you for that!

It is very hard to say no to attention, but we are doing well i think - only handling/playing with him for 20ish minutes every few hours


i have a pen setup - photo attached.

We do live in NYC in a building with other dogs. We have our first vet appt today, and his last vaccine is due around jan 10th

I want to start bringing him to meet people, would the best thing to do is put him in the carrier and bring him out?
Your set-up looks good! The only thing you might want to consider is a vinyl floor remnant for under the ex-pen. Even if he never makes a mistake (or spills his water!!!) We didn't want the ex-pen to scratch our nice hardwoods floors. Your floors look like they're in good condition too, and you probably want to keep them that way!

20 minutes of play out of 2 hours is probably going too far in the other direction. Puppies need to be stimulated to develop their brains, just like children do. They are not cage pets. Obviously, at this stage, he needs lots of sleep too, so don't disturb him then. But keep an eye on him, and just after he potties is the right time to take him out (onto a hard, cleanable surface) and play with him and start teaching him basic obedience... to understand a clicker, to sit, down, stand, etc.


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Your set-up looks good! The only thing you might want to consider is a vinyl floor remnant for under the ex-pen. Even if he never makes a mistake (or spills his water!!!) We didn't want the ex-pen to scratch our nice hardwoods floors. Your floors look like they're in good condition too, and you probably want to keep them that way!

20 minutes of play out of 2 hours is probably going too far in the other direction. Puppies need to be stimulated to develop their brains, just like children do. They are not cage pets. Obviously, at this stage, he needs lots of sleep too, so don't disturb him then. But keep an eye on him, and just after he potties is the right time to take him out (onto a hard, cleanable surface) and play with him and start teaching him basic obedience... to understand a clicker, to sit, down, stand, etc.
thanks! our vet said pretty much exactly what you did here!

how much do you think we should play with him? (training, games, letting him explore) without risking giving too much attention?

also, maybe you can help with this question.

he starting to jump up a lot, and nipping has increased.. he loves biting his crate, and although he has a bone, a stuffed squeaky toy, and a chew toy, and we try to rotate them, he still ends up biting the crate and even pen.. when i see it, i try to correct by giving him the bone or chew tow.. most times it works..

any tips or pointers on getting him to stop jumping when he comes out for playtime?

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