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New puppy, but is he Havanese?

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#1 ·
Well....I went in Petland as I have many, many times to look at puppies.
Knowing full well it isn't be best choice for a puppy.
But it happened, I fell in love with a little guy and could not leave without him.
Sold as pure breed Havanese, but as I began to look pictures and read the standards, he doesn't look too much like a Havanese.
His ears stand up more like another breed.
Any comments would be appreciated.
 

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#2 ·
Unfortunately, puppies sold in pet shops do not come from reputable breeders. They either come from back yard breeders (who may or may not know what they're doing or what medical history their dogs have) or they come from puppy mills. You can have a look here if you like: http://www.petshoppuppies.org/

You'll never know if your pup is a purebred nor what health issues run in it's family, but hopefully he will be a healthy dog and live a long and happy life.

Good luck to you and please visit other parts of the forum too if you want to read up on many other topics! :)
 
#8 ·
Unfortunately, puppies sold in pet shops do not come from reputable breeders. They either come from back yard breeders (who may or may not know what they're doing or what medical history their dogs have) or they come from puppy mills. You can have a look here if you like: http://www.petshoppuppies.org/
Wow! What a great site to be able to send people to when they are contemplating a pet store puppy. Thanks for the link, Marj!
 
#3 ·
He's VERY cute! Congrats! It's very hard to tell how much his ears are standing up since he's looking up at you...more pictures please?
 
#4 ·
very cute. looks a bit like a yorkie hav mix. a yorkanese? How old is he? his ears could still fall.

Good luck with your little pet store rescue. We all know it is not politically correct to buy from a pet store ...but it happens, and you know what... Cuba is no longer a pet store puppy. He is yours! welcome to the forum.
 
#9 ·
very cute. looks a bit like a yorkie hav mix. a yorkanese? How old is he? his ears could still fall.

Good luck with your little pet store rescue. We all know it is not politically correct to buy from a pet store ...but it happens, and you know what... Cuba is no longer a pet store puppy. He is yours! welcome to the forum.
Ditto. And welcome!
 
#7 ·
My cousins had a 1/4 wolf 3/4 lab when I was a kid. It was a great dog! LOL Although it looked a little scary, more wolf-looking than lab.

Your pup could be a Hav...looks like the ears are just flopping up, Roscoe's did this before they had more heavy hair on them. Maybe if you post some more pics we could tell better!
 
#11 ·
You're welcome, Karen. It's been a great site for learning and getting ideas for the pamphlets I made up last year.

I agree that now that the puppy is home with you, of course you will love him and enjoy the many fun times with him. I am looking forward to more pictures too! :)
 
#12 ·
Thanks everyone. He came with a papers, but I didn't realize he can not be registered with AKC, but only AKC Companion Partners.
Called Petland today, they tell me he is pure and can be registered, just not with AKC.
I'm new to dogs, someone help me out here????
Found the breeders name and goggled him. His site shows in addition to breeding Havanese, he breeds silky terriers that look exactly like my puppy.
The ears are just that big, even though he is looking up at me, they are huge!
I love him totally and he is healthy, he isn't going anywhere. But it's appears he could be half Havanese and Silky Terrier. Now what would you call that "Designer" breed?
 
#19 ·
Cuba is very cute. Congrats on getting a new puppy. I'm sure you'll enjoy him.

Thanks everyone. He came with a papers, but I didn't realize he can not be registered with AKC, but only AKC Companion Partners.
Called Petland today, they tell me he is pure and can be registered, just not with AKC.
I don't know about AKC Companion Partners--never heard of that before. A dog is only registerable with AKC if both parents are purebreds that have been previously registered with them. In this case I would imagine the parents weren't registered then. When the petstore says the dog can be registered with another registry...well there are plenty of registries happy to take your money and register the dog as whatever you want. The registration isn't really worth much then though is it? I wouldn't bother to register him if I were you. Just enjoy him as he is.

So far as what you would call the breed. Traditionally he is either a purebred or a mutt. There are all kinds of cutesy designer names you could come up with but I don't know what you would choose since you really don't know for sure what he is. For now I would just go with Havanese and see how he turns out. I have seen a couple on here before that had sticky-uppy ears that eventually laid down once they grew a little more hair and had some weight.
 
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#15 ·
I personally wouldnt be proud of knowingly visiting a puppy mill peddler and then choosing to support the torture, mistreatment, and abuse of animals by choosing to purchase a puppy from there. Some people on this forum have purchased animals they later found to be from BYB or puppy mills, but at least they could plead ignorance.

If you file a report on petshoppuppies.com they can help you find more information out about the dog.

I think this video is particularly timely:
http://www.petshoppuppies.org/Petland.htm

If you are thinking of adding a new dog to your family please consider the Havanese rescue: http://www.havaneserescue.com/

and if you are going the breeder route please read this:
http://havaneseforum.com/showthread.php?t=7098
 
#18 ·
You puppy is so very cute...I can see how Cuba ran away with your heart. The yorkie I share with my parents came from a pet store. And my last baby, Oreo, was a stray that I took in. He was with me for 15 years, and I never knew what he was (he looked like a border collie that had been shrunk down to a 15 lb. papillion size). Love him for who he is an the joy that he brings you. Please post more pictures - we love to see them grow.
 
#21 ·
It's "Canine Partners", and yes, it is specifically for registering mixed breed dogs with AKC to track their points if they compete in AKC Obedience, Rally or Agility. (which opened to mixed breeds this year)

From the AKC site:

"The AKC Canine PartnersSM Program is open to spayed/
neutered mixed-breed dogs, purebred dogs not eligible
for AKC registration or AKC Foundation Stock Service
(FSS), and dogs not currently enrolled in AKC Purebred
Alternative Listing (PAL)."

PAL is for purebred dogs that are not eligible for registration. (such as strays, shelter dogs who are recognizable members of an AKC registerable breed or the zillions of ex-racing Greyhounds who are passed on without papers)

From the AKC site:

"Enrollment in the Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege program is not to be construed as an alternative form of registration, but rather, as a listing so that dogs who are ineligible for AKC registration may participate in AKC Companion and Performance Events. A PAL/ILP may be cancelled for cause."

Cute as he is, this little guy would not qualify for Pal listing, because he looks more like a terrier than a Hav.

Dogs enrolled in either Canine Partners or PAL must be neutered before being enrolled.
 
#24 ·
Kim- indefinite listing privilege. It was the program previously where the dog had to be sp/neutered and you submitted two pics to claim it was an AKC breed then you could do obedience, rally, agility, etc in AKC. It usually took a few weeks and I only know of one dog being turned down (it was a very far fetch!) Now it irrelevant because AKC is letting everyone play (which is good!) I honestly believe the more people who train with their dogs the more dogs that will never get rehomed.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I don't know about AKC Companion Partners--never heard of that before
AKC Canine Partners is for Mixed breeds -I have one of my Mixed Breed rescues registered as Canine Partner only so he can perform in AKC agility and Rally events.

Personally, I would never buy a Havanese that was not AKC registered.

He is a doll and good luck to you.

ETA: AKc now has the PAL instead of the ILP number, it is for 'Purebred Alternative Listing', this is for purebreds that are picked up in shelters, etc, that do not have an AKC number. This is different than the Canine Partners which is for Mixed Breeds only
 
#27 ·
Good luck with your puppy.
 
#28 ·
Cuba is just adorable. Enjoy your new baby. Regardless of where he came from, or exactly what breed he is, he deserves love and care just exactly like any other dog born to good breeders. Sometimes the heart trumps the head when it comes to puppies. :) Does it really matter if he can or cannot be registered? If you don't plan to breed him (and I hope you don't), or enter him in AKC events, registration really doesn't mean anything. My girls are all AKC registered and all that means is that in their puppy books I have a piece of paper that says so.
 
#30 ·
Good luck with that little cutie pie!! I agree with all, whatever he is - he is adorable!

When I first got Lily I decided not to register her - but I didn't really quite understand the reasons to register. So when the other two came, I didn't register them either. For me it would only be a very expensive piece of paper, cause they are just pets to me.
 
#31 ·
Just to be clear, registering your dog with AKC is NOT expensive. Basic registration is $20. For $15 more, you can enroll in their lost and found option, where they keep all your dog's info on file, including their microchip # in case they are ever lost. They send you an AKC tag with their 800 number so that anyone who finds your dog can have access to information to get him back to you easily.

While microchips are good, people have to know they are there to ask someone to read them. This program can give people access to MUCH more information than I could fit on his name tag. (they even include his vet's contact info, and a couple of extra emergency contacts in case they can't get in touch with you) It seemed to me to be really cheap insurance. It didn't seem like an "expensive piece of paper" at all.

BTW, I believe this lost and found service is available for PAL and Canine Partner dogs too.
 
#32 ·
Hi Everyone! I'm overwhelmed with so many responses to my post, and the vast amount of knowledge coming forth. It's all much appreciated.
Took Cuba to PetLand today, and to my surprise the two managers on the floor said, indeed he is not Havanese and that hey would contact the breeder.
At this point I am not sure he is even "Halfanese"
To those of you in horror that I would admit purchasing from PetLand.......Please lighten up. Not everyone is born understanding where these animals come from or how they are marketed.
 
#33 ·
No one is born understanding where these animals are from, but when you say and I quote: "Well....I went in Petland as I have many, many times to look at puppies. Knowing full well it isn't be best choice for a puppy." I take that to mean that you did have knowledge about pet shop puppies. I wasn't "horrified" that you admitted it, but I was surprised and dissappointed that someone would knowingly support such an industry. If I misinterpreted you, I apologize.

Because people are not born knowing these things, I felt it was important to point out to the many people that browse on this forum in search of info about Havanese puppies that this is NOT a humane way to go about selecting a companion animal. Its easy to get caught up in how adorable a puppy is, and Cuba is adorable-I'm happy for you, and hopefully love and care for him. Whats done is done. But in order to stop the supply, people have to stop the demand.

Growing up in the midwest, my family is from generations of people in Agricultural Business, and we all still are, and I have to say that even seeing tons of farms, livestock, commodities, etc I find it truly appalling the way these Multi Million dollar companies treat these loving sweet dogs. So respectfully, I won't lighten up about it.

Regardless, I wish you all the best with Cuba. Take Care. :peace:
 
#34 ·
We have had many discussions on puppy mills and pet store puppies. You bought your puppy before reading those. He is yours now and you love him. Time will tell if he will look like the standard or not. Welcome to the Forum

What will the pet store or breeder do if he is a "Halfanese"? Take the puppy back, refund half your purchase price?

Enjoy your puppy…….
 
#38 ·
Cuba's Mom, all kidding aside. We have all just grown to love this breed so much that it hurts us to think of some bitch never being given a chance to be happy and carefree like a Havanese. And I am one of those who got my first from a less than perfect breeder, so I do understand.

Now, about the name...if he is not even a "halfanese"...I think you may need to change his name to something less cuban and more Celtic. or if your not sure you could hedge and call him Che (like the cuban revolutionary) but pronounce it Shay which sounds oh so like one of those British Isle terrier names.

I do think the bottom line is that he stole your heart. And he will now never know what a mill is like.
 
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