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Pee Pad or Walk?

As you all know (or not), Chester's started his 2nd week with my wife and I. We have the expen setup and have been pee pad training him since we got him. He's obviously not 100% pee pad trained yet but definitely making progress. When in his (small) expen at home, he's at about 80%. Outside his expen is a different story.

Our vet gave us the green light to start walking him outside, which we took as great news since a good walk 3 times a day would be a great way to burn off some of his puppy energy.

My question is this - if we choose to start walking him outside, will this prolong his pee pad training?

In an ideal world we'd like for him to be able to go on the pee pad when indoors, and go outside when we walk him as well.

Thoughts?

PS - Big thanks to everybody that has endured my questions. You've been really helpful!
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As you all know (or not), Chester's started his 2nd week with my wife and I. We have the expen setup and have been pee pad training him since we got him. He's obviously not 100% pee pad trained yet but definitely making progress. When in his (small) expen at home, he's at about 80%. Outside his expen is a different story.

Our vet gave us the green light to start walking him outside, which we took as great news since a good walk 3 times a day would be a great way to burn off some of his puppy energy.

My question is this - if we choose to start walking him outside, will this prolong his pee pad training?

In an ideal world we'd like for him to be able to go on the pee pad when indoors, and go outside when we walk him as well.

Thoughts?

PS - Big thanks to everybody that has endured my questions. You've been really helpful!
Kodi came to me litter box trained by his owner. He peed and pooped outside on the grass the first day after he came home. (in our yard, so he was safe from other dog germs) He never had ANY confusion. He just quickly learned that there were TWO "OK" spots to go.

If your pup us only 80% in the ex-pen, though, you need to make it smaller. Just enough room for his bed on one end, and the pee pad on the other end. Maximize his chances fro success. On;y when he's close (VERY close) to 100% with this configuration should you consider enlarging it.


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I am new to this forum and am soaking up as much info as I can re potty training. I will be taking time off from work for about 1 and 1/2 weeks when we bring our puppy home late Feb. early March. Both my husband and I are in the health care field and thus do not have mon-fri, 9-5 jobs. Although ideally we would like to train our puppy outdoors entirely, there will be days when neither of us will be home for more than a few hours. Thus, I am really leaning towards an x-pen with litter box or pads. My question is wether it would be helpful to have the same potty set-up on our front porch so that when we are home we could work on having her go "outside" as well. We live in the burbs of Chicago thus crazy weather is a factor in not training to go outside entirely.
Is this too confusing for a new puppy? Should we stick to inside training entirely at first, then introduce outside? I really want to have a plan in place that I can stick to from the very start to help ease the stress of new puppy. Thanks in advance for the many questions I will be posting in the weeks to come as we await the arrival of our little girl
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When we got Sophie at 10 weeks, the breeder had already introduced her to pee pads. I've heard it's harder to train to both, but that's what I've done and it is great when the weather is bad, or if I can't get her out in time.I have litterally taken her out at least every hour, but's it's finally paid off. She hasn't had an accident in over a week, so we are getting there.There are some problems with pee pads.
They really like to tear them up. They are expensive because you need to replace if used once.I've read that the dog isn't confused because it's about getting them to go in a particular place, whether it's on a pad or outside.Be careful with any small indoor mat because they think it's a pee pad.We had to remove all of the small rugs. Now Sophie will ask to go out-I have a bell but she won't ring it.I keep a pad at the door, and if I don't get her out she will use the pad.Be prepared for this taking at least until they are 4 months old.
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I am new to this forum and am soaking up as much info as I can re potty training. I will be taking time off from work for about 1 and 1/2 weeks when we bring our puppy home late Feb. early March. Both my husband and I are in the health care field and thus do not have mon-fri, 9-5 jobs. Although ideally we would like to train our puppy outdoors entirely, there will be days when neither of us will be home for more than a few hours. Thus, I am really leaning towards an x-pen with litter box or pads. My question is wether it would be helpful to have the same potty set-up on our front porch so that when we are home we could work on having her go "outside" as well. We live in the burbs of Chicago thus crazy weather is a factor in not training to go outside entirely.
Is this too confusing for a new puppy? Should we stick to inside training entirely at first, then introduce outside? I really want to have a plan in place that I can stick to from the very start to help ease the stress of new puppy. Thanks in advance for the many questions I will be posting in the weeks to come as we await the arrival of our little girl
At this time of year, I'd stick to the indoor potty training. I think she will transition to outdoors with no problem, just as she has more outdoor exposure. Most of them get that part with NO problem.<g> Eventually, most prefer to go outside if that is an option, but especially for those that must be left alone for extended periods, I think it's much better for them to have an indoor option, rather than either sit there in real discomfort or have an accident.

It's much harder to teach a dog who is ONLY used to going outdoors to use an indoor potty than the other way around.


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When we got Sophie at 10 weeks, the breeder had already introduced her to pee pads. I've heard it's harder to train to both, but that's what I've done and it is great when the weather is bad, or if I can't get her out in time.I have litterally taken her out at least every hour, but's it's finally paid off. She hasn't had an accident in over a week, so we are getting there.There are some problems with pee pads.
They really like to tear them up. They are expensive because you need to replace if used once.I've read that the dog isn't confused because it's about getting them to go in a particular place, whether it's on a pad or outside.Be careful with any small indoor mat because they think it's a pee pad.We had to remove all of the small rugs. Now Sophie will ask to go out-I have a bell but she won't ring it.I keep a pad at the door, and if I don't get her out she will use the pad.Be prepared for this taking at least until they are 4 months old.
I don't agree that it's harder to teach them to go indoors and outdoors. Kodi came to us litter box trained. He naturally, without any prompting, started going poop outdoors unless there was NO alternative within days of getting home. (it was summer time, so we were outside a lot, which I'm sure helped) I know that Tom King, who is the "King" of potty training around here, has said that the people who have the MOST trouble with potty training (i.e. plan on it taking the longest) are those who insist that their puppy ONLY go outdoors, with no indoor alternative. Not that it can't be done, but it will take longer and you must be even MORE vigilant.

I agree that pee pads aren't my choice for all the reasons you've mentioned. I prefer litter boxes with wood pellets, but many people have the UgoDog, and really like that system too. Either of these solve all the problems you've mentioned with the pee pads, but still give the puppy an acceptable indoor potty alternative.

If you really have your puppy COMPLETELY reliable without close supervision and confinement to an area where you can keep an eye on her at 4 months, you have a very unusual puppy. Around here, people usually plan on it taking a year before they can really trust their puppy (and at a year, they still really ARE puppies) completely unsupervised to ALWAYS either use their indoor potty or ALWAYS ask to go out. Some find that it's a little less than that, some find that it's even longer than that.

A 4 month old puppy is still a pretty little baby. They should have a pretty good idea of what they should/shouldn't do by that age, but it's still entirely possible for them to "miss" their own bodily signals and find themselves too far from their potty if left unsupervised. And once accidents START happening, they are harder to turn around. Likewise, very few have mastered clearly communicating the need to go out by that age. If someone is still taking them out on schedule, like clockwork, and they don't have an unexpected need, that's fine. If the human lets things go a little too long OR the puppy needs to go a little sooner than usual, all bets are off.


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Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that I think Sophie is completely trained, only that she's doing well. She has graduated from the kitchen to the family room, which is so exciting to her! It will be many months before she has freedom of the house.
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[QUOTE=toto3d;365831]As you all know (or not), Chester's started his 2nd week with my wife and I. We have the expen setup and have been pee pad training him since we got him. He's obviously not 100% pee pad trained yet but definitely making progress. When in his (small) expen at home, he's at about 80%. Outside his expen is a different story.

Our vet gave us the green light to start walking him outside, which we took as great news since a good walk 3 times a day would be a great way to burn off some of his puppy energy.

My question is this - if we choose to start walking him outside, will this prolong his pee pad training?

In an ideal world we'd like for him to be able to go on the pee pad when indoors, and go outside when we walk him as well.

I see no reason why taking your pup for walks will prolong the pee pad training . I do think if you want both then start training booth. Karens set up with the litter ? pellets, seems like a great idea to transfer over your pup to that. The pads do cost alot and they do like to tear them up
Zoey a 12 week old, came to us trained on a pad and from day one we have been going outside. she still uses the pad when needed. The only problem I have had is My other pup who is 6mo has started using the pad also she was without for over 2mo . I think I am going to look in to getting her set up.
Karen can you buy all the stuff just at a pet store?

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Sorry, I didn't mean to insinuate that I think Sophie is completely trained, only that she's doing well. She has graduated from the kitchen to the family room, which is so exciting to her! It will be many months before she has freedom of the house.
That's great!!!


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I see no reason why taking your pup for walks will prolong the pee pad training . I do think if you want both then start training booth. Karens set up with the litter ? pellets, seems like a great idea to transfer over your pup to that. The pads do cost alot and they do like to tear them up
Zoey a 12 week old, came to us trained on a pad and from day one we have been going outside. she still uses the pad when needed. The only problem I have had is My other pup who is 6mo has started using the pad also she was without for over 2mo . I think I am going to look in to getting her set up.
Karen can you buy all the stuff just at a pet store?
Well, to give credit where credit is DEFINITELY due, Tom and Pam King trained Kodi to a litter box, and taught me how to do it. Tom has many posts on the subject of this forum.

Yes, you can buy dog litter boxes at Petco or Petsmart... probably other places too. Make sure to get a big one, as Havs like to circle before they poop, and if they can't circle in the box, the circle might take them OUT of the box at the wrong moment. Also, if the box isn't big enough, a lot of boy puppies will put just their front feet in and... oops!

You can buy specially made "dog litter", but I don't like it for a couple of reasons. First, it's expensive. Second, it is TOO absorbent. You can't tell where they have peed in order to remove it, and I found, to my dismay, that the ammonia smell was HORRIBLE in a box that LOOKED clean when I got my nose down close to it.

I use wood stove pellets. You can get them at any farm store, wood stove store or, during the winter months, the "big box" stores like Lowes and Home Depot. If you use these places, be sure to lay in a supply to last you through the summer, because they don't carry them in the warm weather. Besides being MUCH cheaper, the wood stove pellets break down into sawdust immediately when they get wet, so you can see a wet spot and scoop it out right away.

The other reason I feel better about the wood pellets than dog litter is that wood pellets break down while the dog litter expands. Of course, you don't WANT your puppy to eat dog litter of any sort, but dogs will be dogs. I feel safer with something that I KNOW will break down into small particles when wet than with something that, if the puppy eats a few, could potentially expand to a MUCH larger size, possibly causing an obstruction.

Tom has raised 200-odd puppies using this system and it works great. I only have Kodi, but continued what the Kings had started with him, and it has worked great for us too.


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