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Transitioning from breeder's turf to indoor litter box?

My breeder uses artificial turf to potty train her puppies, but I really want to try the indoor litter box that seems so popular here. How do I transition the puppy from going on turf to using a litter box? (Yes, I know it's technically Equine Pine and not kitty litter.)

I've read Tom King's instructions on keeping the ex-pen so small at first that there's only room for the crate and the box. Should I start with that? Do I put a small piece of turf on top of the pellet-filled box so that the puppy knows that's where he should go? How do I get him used to feeling the pellets under his paws when he urinates/defecates?

Also, I read an older thread (2015?) about constructing the litter box. Is the PuppyGoHere pan still the best option out there? Or should I go with a Ugodog? I'm a little concerned about the pine pellets scattering when the puppy uses it, as well as the ingestion possibility.

Thanks so much! I really want to make the indoor box work, but just concerned about transitioning from what the breeder does to what I want to do at home.
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If youíre planning ahead, definitely do the ex-pen set-up with the litter box and crate. If your puppy is already home and youíre trying to transition from one surface to another, itís surprisingly easy. I placed a paper towel with a tiny drop of pee on it in the tray with the pellets and then brought our puppy down to the tray for the first time when it was first thing in the morning and I knew he needed to go. Then we made a huge deal out of going potty on the tray and practiced it a few more times in a row. I think itís trying to indoor train late in the game thatís challenging, but once you have the concept down it isnít diffucult to switch from pads or litter or whatever surfaces. Everyone will tell you to make sure you keep it up! I didnít do a great job with that. My dog will still use the tray on command if itís stormy outside, but thatís not the same as keeping up by practicing once in a while after the puppy has outside potty mastered.

I have a couple different potty trays and I like U-go-dog best. Itís bigger but also low profile so it slides up against the toe-kick of the cabinets in my mudroom. It also looks the nicest - if a litter box can look nice at all - because it sort of disappears.
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Thanks for the suggestions! Puppy isn't here yet (was born a week ago); I'm just trying to plan ahead. We're planning to bring him home when he's 9 weeks, sometime around the end of March. Good to know that all I need to do is put a little urine in the pellets. I was afraid I'd have to buy some turf patches and progressively make them smaller as the puppy got used to the pellets. Hopefully the transition will be easy.

I will definitely try to keep up the indoor training, even after he's trained to go outside. I've read a bunch of forum threads about it, and you all have me convinced. Being able to go indoors and outdoors just sounds like the perfect system to me.
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I donít think you even need to put urine in the pellets if you do the crate and litter box in the ex pen. I started the indoor potty a little late and we transitioned from paper, which is what our breeder used. I might be wrong, though, if your puppy has a pretty good head start on potty training and is confused by the pellets.
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I donít think you even need to put urine in the pellets if you do the crate and litter box in the ex pen. I started the indoor potty a little late and we transitioned from paper, which is what our breeder used. I might be wrong, though, if your puppy has a pretty good head start on potty training and is confused by the pellets.
I agree, the 9 week old puppy will most likely go right to whatever potty tray or litter box is in the ex-pen. My puppy was three months old and was not littler box trained.

I put a Grass Tuff Pad in the ex-pen ... thinking it was more like grass ... she went right to it from day one. I did not like the smell or cleaning the Tuff Pad and switched to Paw Trax Trays with paper. I did put a little urine on it but again, Patti did her job on the Paw Trax Tray without hestitation. I switched from paper to Equine Pellets and again ... she used the potty tray.

The ex-pen was a little too big and I added two potty trays to take up space, because she was not making it onto the tray. Close but not close enough.

You'll want to put the 9 week old in a small ex-pen close to the littler box or tray, until she gets a little bigger.

I have both Paw Trax Trays and Ugo Dog in different rooms in the house. Ugh Dog works better with the equine pellets. The paper pads smell and I did not like using those.
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Indoor potty is not very much used here in Norway except for when you get a puppy in the winter, then it's pee pee pads usually. Then as soon as they get bigger and/or the weather permits, it's outdoors only.
I plan on using an x-pen small enough to have the crate and a pee pee pad "holder". I would like Ugodog, but it will cost me a total of $120 with the import charges and fees and that's a little too much right now I think..

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Indoor potty is not very much used here in Norway except for when you get a puppy in the winter, then it's pee pee pads usually. Then as soon as they get bigger and/or the weather permits, it's outdoors only.
I plan on using an x-pen small enough to have the crate and a pee pee pad "holder". I would like Ugodog, but it will cost me a total of $120 with the import charges and fees and that's a little too much right now I think..
I think itís the same way here. This forum is unique because several of the members have a lot of experience with really effective indoor potty training methods, and because Havanese are a smaller dog breed. Somewhere thereís a thread where someone made an alternative to the Ugodog with plastic bins - much less expensive! We donít have Norwegian winters, but we do have snow where I live, and it was great to be able to take our winter puppy potty first thing in the morning without getting on all of the snow gear and making a path. If you have access to equine pellets from a feed/farm/ranch type store, they do smell much better than the pee pads. If I lived where you do, I would definitely want to keep up on indoor potty training year round so I didnít have to take him out in the snow all of the time, but I have a feeling youíre much tougher about the cold than I am
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Norway likely has dog potty trays. Pee pads may work for you. I'm sure my puppy would have played with them and torn them to pieces.

Potty trays have a plastic grate on top so the dog doesn't walk in their puppy poop or pee. You put pee pads under the grate which laches to the bottom of the tray, making it difficult for a dog to remove the top. As young as your puppy is, you maybe able to use a cat litter box filled with equine pine pellets. This is horse bedding. It has a pleasant smell and doesn't get smelly like pee pads.

Below is a good thread on Training Tips and Advice. There's photos of how to set up an ex-pen.

https://www.havaneseforum.com/7-trai...d-pellets.html
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