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Taking new puppy everywhere for socialization, what about pottying while out?

Please forgive me if this is a stupid question, but this will be my first dog ever and I have no idea how to do this. I plan to take my new puppy with me everywhere when we first get him in order to socialize as much as possible. Because he won't have all his shots, I will be extra careful and plan to keep him in a carrier (Outward Hound PoochPouch, I think).

If he is in a carrier, how will I know if he needs to go potty? Will he whimper and give me some kind of sign? Will he soil himself while in the carrier, or is that too much like his den?

Should I take him out of the carrier every hour and have him try to go potty? Obviously I can't put him down just anywhere. I drive a minivan, so maybe I take him back to the car every hour, lay down a pee pad with some pellets on it (what I'm planning to use for my indoor potty), and see if he'll do his business? And what if he doesn't go? Put him in the car carrier and then try again in 10-15 minutes?

What do others do???

Again, sorry if this seems like such a dumb question, but I'm pretty stumped. Thanks for your help!
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I took our puppy everywhere and I just took him potty every time we got out of the car, before we went into a store or a new place. Thereís almost always somewhere to take him potty, although mine is particular about peeing on grass so sometimes I had to think ahead and take him in the parking lot next door with grass or whatever. I still take him with me a lot and I think he views the car as a bed or crate, heís only had one accident in it ever and he wasnít in a carrier. We were waiting in the car because DD had dance and it was too snowy to justify driving home and back.

I was lucky because from a very early age our dog would grab at my feet and sort of growl and run around if he needed to poop. It was different from the usual playful puppy ankle biting that I would redirect, there was more desperation involved. He didnít stress out about peeing, though, and he didnít start communicating about needing to pee until around 1 year. I donít think you can rely on him communicating, although you might get lucky.

One time when our dog was almost a year old he started running around all crazy in Petsmart. I was so embarrassed because he was acting so weird and then all of the sudden he pooped. Then I was even MORE embarrassed that I didnít realize what was going on! But of course they were so nice about it, and I did have a little roll of bags with me so I just cleaned it up and they sanitized the spot.
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Thanks so much for your response! I will definitely let him potty on the grass when he's had all his shots, but I guess I'm more concerned for those few weeks when he's not fully vaccinated yet. I've read a lot about not putting him down on surfaces where a dog might have peed or pooped, which is why I plan to carry him around everywhere in a little front pouch or sling. I just don't know if he's going to get restless if he needs to go to the bathroom, or if he'll go potty in his carrier.



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Hoping Karen makes her way to this thread at some point because she has very good information on immunity provided by the first vaccinations, but I will say that from what I recall, even after just one or two rounds of the DAPV vaccine puppy is quite safe from parvo. Obviously you don't want to bring him traipsing through a field at a park or along the grass near a pet store, but parvo is spread via direct and indirect contact with the feces of an infected animal. It can live in the ground for quite some time, but bringing puppy to potty in a secluded corner in a location that isn't likely to be a common dog potty spot is just fine.

Remember, though, taking your puppy EVERYWHERE for socialization is not necessarily a good thing. Puppy needs to learn to be away from you sooner rather than later, and accompanying you on every outing won't help that process. Additionally, that much socialization can be exhausting, and overloading puppy can be dangerous and actually cause what you mean to be good experiences to bring him unneeded stress. Also keep in mind that not everywhere is legally allowed to be dog friendly, no matter what employees may say. Any place that sells or serves open food is a no go for puppy socialization; service dogs only!

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I know, i remember thinking the same thing. It’s funny because socialization and protecting them prior to vaccination are emphasized when a puppy comes home, and they sort of contradict each other. Personally I think socialization outweighs the risk of pottying in the same spot if it comes down to choosing, but I think you have to make your own judgements understanding the risks. Sophie’s point about the effectiveness of the earlier vaccines is something I wish I’d thought of when I considering these issues.

I wouldn’t take him to potty at a dog park, and I’d look for the most inconvenient patch of grass in the parking lot instead of the one most dogs probably use, or let him wander around licking - but I wouldn’t sacrifice the socialization during that short window.

There was a statement published by an organization on this topic at one point which emphasized the importance of socialization in spite of what seems like mixed messages to owners. I don’t remember if I read it here. I can’t remember if it was from vets or behaviorists but I’ll see if I can find it. It might have been something Dave posted for the forum.
Our vet’s recommendation was to have him play with other dogs of families we know until his shots were complete so that we could easily ensure the dogs were healthy and vaccinated. Good excuse for play dates with family friends!

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I have a little different take on this question. The first dog we ever had, 40 years ago, died from Parvo. The kids were young and it made a lasting impression on all of us. I would wait until the Vet gives the okay to take your dog out into the public. Havanese are naturally social. In my opinion, waiting a couple of months for the vaccinations to be complete is not going to negatively impact a Havanese socialization skills. I value safety over rushing it. In the meantime, invite friends and family (without their dogs) over for a playdate. The puppy will begin socialization in that way.

You didn't say what State you live in, but regarding potty training, take your dog outside every hour for 5 minutes at a time (weather permitting). In the beginning, your puppy will not let you know, give you a signal, when he has to go. You have to teach him, by repeated conditioning and training, where YOU want him to go. This could take a couple of months or more for your puppy to become 100% reliable. The length of time it takes will depend on YOUR training skills - consistency and dependability - and your puppy's cognitive skills. (When we got Ricky, I made every mistake in the book!) As an adult male, we take Ricky out at least every 4 hours (except at night) and he is 100% reliable. Sometimes he will let us know (like licking our hand, each dog might have different signals) but he just holds it. Ricky will even potty on command! We call it a "courtesy potty" which sometimes means lifting his leg and nothing comes out, just to make Popi happy! There will be successes and failures along the way, but the two of you will eventually work together as a team and learning together will be so much fun!

Keep us posted on your new adventure. We are Havanese lovers here.

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Thanks so much for all your thoughts! I really appreciate them.

I realize there's contradicting advice regarding socialization and vaccinations, but so many things I've read really emphasize socialization, socialization, socialization! I want to do my best to protect this puppy, though, so that's why I plan to use the carrier and won't put him down in any public spaces. Thus my thought that maybe I'll go back to my car and let him try to potty every hour, if we're out and about.

Then there's the added twist that Havanese are a vaccine sensitive breed, too, so if I follow Jean Dodds' protocol, the puppy won't have his second set of shots until 14 weeks, when the window of socialization is already starting to close. If I wait until all 3 shots are complete, he'll be 18 weeks, and pretty much that window will be gone.

Such hard decisions!

KarMar, you bring up interesting points. I do plan to leave puppy at home in the beginning for short periods of time to get him used to it. I apologize if I made it sound like I will bring him with me EVERYWHERE, but don't worry, I won't bring him places where he's not allowed. I was thinking of taking him to outdoor malls, downtown Main Street, to the school to pick up my kids, etc. I just wonder if we're out longer than the roughly 1 hour "potty window," what I should do. Maybe I'll keep the first outdoor socialization trips short and sweet so that it doesn't become an issue!
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Can you all tell that I'm a major overthinker? LOL!
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start socializing as soon as you get him home. more here https://avsab.org/wp-content/uploads..._-_10-3-14.pdf
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Then there's the added twist that Havanese are a vaccine sensitive breed, too,
According to Ricky's Vet, some Havanese are sensitive but most aren't.

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the puppy won't have his second set of shots until 14 weeks, when the window of socialization is already starting to close. If I wait until all 3 shots are complete, he'll be 18 weeks, and pretty much that window will be gone.
Do you have a link to some research on this? Inquiring minds want to know.

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