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Old 04-23-2019, 03:16 PM
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Sounds like your ex-pen maybe too big. I had a similar problem in the beginning but figured out pretty quickly there was too much room. Dogs don't typically want to potty where they sleep or hangout. I added two potty trays, one right next to the other, which took up more space. That immediately solved the problem. Patti was 3.5lbs and 8 weeks old. They grow quickly and when she got bigger I removed one of the potty trays. They sometimes stand on the edge of the tray and miss. You might have to rearrange the tray if that's often.

If you want to indoor house break your baby, don't do outdoor potty training. Wait until you little one is totally indoor house broken. That's advice comes from the Experts on this Forum. That's what I did. Patti is now 14 months old. Two months ago we installed a fence and Patti is in and and out of the house all day long. She asks for go outside to potty in the morning @ 5 a.m.!!! Ugh! However, she still occasionally uses the indoor potty tray: When the weather is bad or we're not home to let her out. And, we move to Colorado during the summer where we don't have a yard. Indoor housebreaking is a wonderful alternative. They all eventually prefer and want to go outside. It's difficult to train them to use an indoor potty tray once they become outdoor dogs.

I don't know what you mean about cleaning up "shavings all day long"? You can use potty pads in the trays. Several of us to Equine Horse Pellets. The pellets and potty pads fit under the grate of the trays. The potty pads have an unpleasant odor and need to be changed frequently maybe every day or two with a small puppy. A larger dog every day. The Equine Pellets do not have an odor. When the dog pees on the pellets they expand into saw dust. Highly absorbent and you might change those out once or twice a week.

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So I decided against keeping with indoor training. It just wasn’t successful. He’s not had an indoor accident in weeks and easily holds it from about 10 pm to 7 am. When I wake up he’s hopping all over the place and clearly has to go. He has a pretty reliable signal. We went to the store and he stayed in the car with my teen and younger kids and I got a call. I immediately sighed and said, “who has to go potty?” As my kids do this and the 16 yr old calls to let me know. Annoying since he can walk ten feet to the store. Anyway. My son says, “Oliver has to go! He’s jumping around in the booster seat like crazy!”

I do have two potty trays in there that work in a pinch but in general he holds it quite a while. During the day I aim to take him out every 3 hours to be safe, and he has poop down too. I’m so incredibly shocked at how well he’s doing for 4 months old! I have no desire to stop encouraging outside pottying for the sake of litter training, especially because now he can run around for longer periods and play in other areas of the house.
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Where did I say “cleaning up shavings all day long”? I didn’t. I said my breeder used shavings. I never used them myself. I put pee pads in the trays. I said cleaning up pee, because that is precisely what I was doing. And I had two potty trays there that he was using to sleep on, not pee. So, I did what works for my family. And my sanity.
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It’s kinda funny because mine missed the tray 1-2 times with pee, like right on the edge, while we were first teaching him. He was standing on the tray with just his front paws. A few days later was the last time he missed - he cried about it! He came and got me and led me to it and was like, get rid of this! He never had a problem with pee after that. But the poop he didn’t quite figure out, he just held it. Which is good in it’s own way, but it was inconvenient sometimes.
That's our Ferdie!! She always has the best intentions, but sometimes still she only gets her front paws on and pees all over the floor. She doesn't notice, though :-P
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Our last dog - a Maltese... we trained to use pee pads indoors. Not this time. We trained our Havanese to use the strand of bells hung in the door. She was so trainable and swats the bells with her paw when she wants to go outside. Lots of opinions on this but we feel that once you train them to go indoors, they will. I know some people Need to have dogs go indoors on pads but we are so glad we trained our girl to use the bell. Btw your pup is beautiful. Enjoy. We will never own a different breed and may add a second to our fam
We wanted to do the same thing, but having to go to work and leave the house for a while at a time doesn't allow for that. Oh, to be retired!
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That's our Ferdie!! She always has the best intentions, but sometimes still she only gets her front paws on and pees all over the floor. She doesn't notice, though :-P
Tip: There's probably too much room around the potty tray.

My little one is 15-months old. She is indoor potty tray trained. She, also, goes outside. It's pouring down rain today and I don't have to worry about how she's going to get outside to do her job because she knows where her potty tray is in the house.

ALL indoor potty trained dogs, eventually go outside. They prefer to go outside. They ask to go outside without training. What you CAN'T do is retrain you dog to use an indoor potty tray .... if you train them to - first - go outside.

We travel and move to the mountains during the summer to place with out a yard. All we have to do is show Patti where the potty tray is and she'll use it if she can't get outside for whatever reason.

This is the first dog I've ever indoor potty trained. And, I was somewhat reluctant in the beginning but fortunately Karen kept encouraging me to NOT stop. I'm very! glad I stuck with Indoor Housebreaking Patti. Many dogs and I've seen Havanese owners complain on this website about the difficulty of getting their dogs to go outside during bad weather. Staying outside under an umbrella, waiting and hoping they'll go. Building covered areas outside for them to use.

Keep in mind - Indoor potty trained dogs are HOUSE BROKEN.
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Tip: There's probably too much room around the potty tray.

My little one is 15-months old. She is indoor potty tray trained. She, also, goes outside. It's pouring down rain today and I don't have to worry about how she's going to get outside to do her job because she knows where her potty tray is in the house.

ALL indoor potty trained dogs, eventually go outside. They prefer to go outside. They ask to go outside without training. What you CAN'T do is retrain you dog to use an indoor potty tray .... if you train them to - first - go outside.

We travel and move to the mountains during the summer to place with out a yard. All we have to do is show Patti where the potty tray is and she'll use it if she can't get outside for whatever reason.

This is the first dog I've ever indoor potty trained. And, I was somewhat reluctant in the beginning but fortunately Karen kept encouraging me to NOT stop. I'm very! glad I stuck with Indoor Housebreaking Patti. Many dogs and I've seen Havanese owners complain on this website about the difficulty of getting their dogs to go outside during bad weather. Staying outside under an umbrella, waiting and hoping they'll go. Building covered areas outside for them to use.

Keep in mind - Indoor potty trained dogs are HOUSE BROKEN.
Thanks for the anecdote! I'm glad I convinced my fiancée to let us use the pad (help from the vet on that one...) cause I can see it being super useful forever. The problem we're facing now is that when Ferd is upset we're leaving her, say we didn't spend enough time playing or something before we leave her for a few hours or if we come home quickly on lunch, she has taken to pulling her fake turf off the pad and tray underneath and thrashing it all around. I'd like to think it's just a puppy thing but I think she's so smart that it's her way of telling us she's upset with us!

Hoping it'll all get better, but have considered sticking her in her crate (attached to the ex-pen) for when we're gone a few hours. Seems like torture! But should we just let her continue the destructive behavior and hope she grows out of it? So tough. I'm considering one of the real grass patches like doggielawn or fresh patch. Oh, the woes of puppyhood!!
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Thanks for the anecdote! I'm glad I convinced my fiancée to let us use the pad (help from the vet on that one...) cause I can see it being super useful forever. The problem we're facing now is that when Ferd is upset we're leaving her, say we didn't spend enough time playing or something before we leave her for a few hours or if we come home quickly on lunch, she has taken to pulling her fake turf off the pad and tray underneath and thrashing it all around. I'd like to think it's just a puppy thing but I think she's so smart that it's her way of telling us she's upset with us!

Hoping it'll all get better, but have considered sticking her in her crate (attached to the ex-pen) for when we're gone a few hours. Seems like torture! But should we just let her continue the destructive behavior and hope she grows out of it? So tough. I'm considering one of the real grass patches like doggielawn or fresh patch. Oh, the woes of puppyhood!!
Ferd is a puppy and playing. She is not misbehaving and it's OK to leave her. Leave Ferd in the ex-pen with toys and install a different potty tray. Puppies play with anything that isn't tied down. Use the crate at night or for an established nap time.

You will be able to housebreak Ferd very quickly if you use a potty tray. But, you must also keep her confined, if you don't have eyes on her and do not give her Free Rein around a room until you're confident she will go to the potty tray. Train her one room in the house at a time.

I've tried almost every potty training tray type made including Fake Grass Turf. I didn't like the Fake Grass Turf because it smells. You can wash it but the more the puppy pees and poops on it the harder it is to get the odor out.

I have not tried Real Grass. However, I would think it will smell after the puppy pees and poops on it numerous times. And... Ferd will probably play with the grass, too.

This is what I found that works. The UgoDog.net (Company does not sell on Amazon) or the Byliss Klean Paws Potty Tray (Sold on Amazon.com) are my favorites. You can get potty trays with sides that helps keep the puppy inside the tray. If I had a do over - I would try that tray.

You want a trays that clamp down over a paper potty pad or pellets that are put inside the trays. (The trays I've suggested have enough room for equine horse pellets.) With this type of set up a small breed puppy will NOT get into the tray and tear up the paper. Easy clean up. With a small puppy you'll probably need to change out the pad every other day, may every third day. The poop is on top of the tray. Pick it up and throw it away in the stool. As the dog gets older and bigger you'll have to change the paper pad out every day or twice a day because of the odor.

Another option is to use Equine Horse Pellets inside the potty trays. Several of us on the forum prefer the Equine Horse Pellets to paper potty pads, because the pads have an odor. The Equine Horse Pellets are used for horse bedding and has no odor when peed on. As an analogy ... It works like Kitty Litter in dog potty trays.

The Equine Horse Pellets don't have to be changed as often because there's no odor. Just throw it away and put new pellets in the tray. You can buy Equine Horse Pellets at Tractor or Farm stores. It's about $5 for a 40lb bag.

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Thanks for the anecdote! I'm glad I convinced my fiancée to let us use the pad (help from the vet on that one...) cause I can see it being super useful forever. The problem we're facing now is that when Ferd is upset we're leaving her, say we didn't spend enough time playing or something before we leave her for a few hours or if we come home quickly on lunch, she has taken to pulling her fake turf off the pad and tray underneath and thrashing it all around. I'd like to think it's just a puppy thing but I think she's so smart that it's her way of telling us she's upset with us!

Hoping it'll all get better, but have considered sticking her in her crate (attached to the ex-pen) for when we're gone a few hours. Seems like torture! But should we just let her continue the destructive behavior and hope she grows out of it? So tough. I'm considering one of the real grass patches like doggielawn or fresh patch. Oh, the woes of puppyhood!!

I wanted to do the grass but I didn't want to do a subscription - I have enough of those I know some people just buy a new piece of sod at the garden center but I would never follow through on that, and I'm not sure if it's feasible in the winter here. In the end the pine pellets worked best for me. I really like them, more than I expected.

Can't really help with that particular behavior but I can relate as mine also isn't thrilled if I forget something and I'm in and out - it's like the excitement doesn't have anywhere to go! How is she greeting you when you get home? Maybe that would be a good place to start if you don't think it's boredom, since working on self control is a something that will translate to other things you may want to teach her. It's hard to find things puppies can chew safely without supervision but maybe giving her something to chew for a while before you leave would help?
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So, I did what works for my family. And my sanity.
That's exactly what you have to do, and it's not the end of the world. If it doesn't work out for you to indoor potty train it doesn't work out, and potty training is going well for you now so I get it! I think the advice is more in the spirit of anyone else reading the thread who might be searching the forum and facing the same challenges and wishes to use a potty tray.

My next puppy will be completely indoor (and outdoor) potty trained because I figured out everything I did wrong! But I'm still thankful my Hav will go potty on command on an indoor potty tray when I need him to, even if he will never poop on it.
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