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Ferd is a puppy and playing. She is not misbehaving and it's OK to leave her. Leave Ferd in the ex-pen with toys and install a different potty tray. Puppies play with anything that isn't tied down. Use the crate at night or for an established nap time.

You will be able to housebreak Ferd very quickly if you use a potty tray. But, you must also keep her confined, if you don't have eyes on her and do not give her Free Rein around a room until you're confident she will go to the potty tray. Train her one room in the house at a time.

I've tried almost every potty training tray type made including Fake Grass Turf. I didn't like the Fake Grass Turf because it smells. You can wash it but the more the puppy pees and poops on it the harder it is to get the odor out.

I have not tried Real Grass. However, I would think it will smell after the puppy pees and poops on it numerous times. And... Ferd will probably play with the grass, too.

This is what I found that works. The UgoDog.net (Company does not sell on Amazon) or the Byliss Klean Paws Potty Tray (Sold on Amazon.com) are my favorites. You can get potty trays with sides that helps keep the puppy inside the tray. If I had a do over - I would try that tray.

You want a trays that clamp down over a paper potty pad or pellets that are put inside the trays. (The trays I've suggested have enough room for equine horse pellets.) With this type of set up a small breed puppy will NOT get into the tray and tear up the paper. Easy clean up. With a small puppy you'll probably need to change out the pad every other day, may every third day. The poop is on top of the tray. Pick it up and throw it away in the stool. As the dog gets older and bigger you'll have to change the paper pad out every day or twice a day because of the odor.

Another option is to use Equine Horse Pellets inside the potty trays. Several of us on the forum prefer the Equine Horse Pellets to paper potty pads, because the pads have an odor. The Equine Horse Pellets are used for horse bedding and has no odor when peed on. As an analogy ... It works like Kitty Litter in dog potty trays.

The Equine Horse Pellets don't have to be changed as often because there's no odor. Just throw it away and put new pellets in the tray. You can buy Equine Horse Pellets at Tractor or Farm stores. It's about $5 for a 40lb bag.
Going with the Blyss holder cause ugodog is sold out online and I don't think I want an open litter box w/ sides on it. Trying the equine pine pellets, too. Thanks for the suggestions!

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In the end the pine pellets worked best for me. I really like them, more than I expected.

Can't really help with that particular behavior but I can relate as mine also isn't thrilled if I forget something and I'm in and out - it's like the excitement doesn't have anywhere to go! How is she greeting you when you get home? Maybe that would be a good place to start if you don't think it's boredom, since working on self control is a something that will translate to other things you may want to teach her. It's hard to find things puppies can chew safely without supervision but maybe giving her something to chew for a while before you leave would help?
Trying out the pellets this week! Just need to find them... Looks like I can get them shipped to a local ACE hardware but we don't have any feed stores very close to philly.
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We have a second home in Crested Butte, CO which is in Gunnison County. There are horses ALL over the place in this community. And, I could NOT find Equine Pellets in that community. Don't understand Why? However, they sold Equine Shavings instead. That worked, as well. Good Luck!! I'm confident you'll like the potty tray and it works with pee pads. I occasionally use the pee pads when it's not convenient to use the pellets or shavings. Not sure which I prefer but the stores here don't carry the Shavings. I think the pellets might be more absorbent. But, that's not a problem with our small dogs. Would have to ask a Horse person why some use Shavings and others Pellets.
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Trying out the pellets this week! Just need to find them... Looks like I can get them shipped to a local ACE hardware but we don't have any feed stores very close to philly.
With the whole urban farming movement, I bet there are quite a few places near you that carry them but I can imagine actually tracking them down is a pain! It took me a few tries to find them and there are lots of farming and feed stores near me. People actually using equine bedding for horses out here often have them delivered so the first place I went didn't carry them in the store. In the end I found them at Tractor Supply, which is a chain really close to me but I had no idea it existed and I had never been there before.
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Interestingly, he has started using the tray if he really really has to pee and we aren’t home or it’s night. We have two ex pens with trays in them that I didn’t realize he would use (they have pee pads in them). He will use those or go outside. The only thing we don’t have down is poop. I still have to time it right. I was wondering how he was managing never to pee in the ex pen, even ten hours overnight.
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Kojo (at 4 months) is excellent about using pee pad and going outside when weather permits. But he pooped outside just twice. He just keeps holding it while outside until I finally bring him in. Then goes on pee pad. I have tray type with grill over top. Kojo hates the grill so keep it off. When he poops usually gets half on edge. He sometimes has one last little ball of poop which falls when he jumps out of pee pad. Then somehow sits on little ball. Butt wash time.

But I cannot trust him. Even if I just saw him poop and pee, I let him out of ex-pen in limit of roon his pen is in. It is like he saves some just to poop and pee on laminate floor. So won't poop outside and reluctantly uses pee pad for poop. Still has accidents while I am watching him. But I don't get to him fast enough to get him to pee pad. At least it is limited to one room.

I have dining area and hallway to rest of the house barracaded with weighted Chewy boxes. But he is getting so smart. I have a Houdini here. He jumps against boxes moving them just enough to get out through. First thing he does is get bathroom rug and drag it out to where his ex-pen is. I want to put a gate at hallway but that also gives him access to kitchen. But maybe better than him breaking through box barracade to get to rest of house. I thought box barracade a temporary thing. But looks like longer term now.

I read that Havanese are notorious for being difficult to housebreak. They are just so smart and very particular about toileting.
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Havanese are NOT hard to housebreak. You have to confine them to a small area to housebreak them to a potty tray. Right now your ex-pen should only have enough room for a small bed area and a potty tray. That will force Kojo to use the potty tray. Put a leash on Kojo when he's not inside the ex-pen so you have control and are watching him. Periodically walk him over to the potty tray and tell him to "do his job" or whatever term you use. When he does give him a treat and a lot of praise. Every time you see him go potty on the tray (or pee pads) give Kojo a treat and lots of praise.

If he's on a leash Kojo won't pee or poop where he's playing. Don't let Kojo have Free Range in the house. An ex-pen located in a one room gated off from the rest of the house is the ideal. First housebreak Kojo to one room. After you can trust him you can start expanding him to other room areas.

At one time I had six gates up in my house. Patti did not have Free Range of the entire house until she was 10-11 months old.

Kojo will pee and poop numerous times a day. He'll outside pee. Come back in and pee or poop again. He'll pee on the pad then got back and pee again.

The forum has lots of great information on previous threads regarding potty training. Check them out.
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Kojo (at 4 months) is excellent about using pee pad and going outside when weather permits. But he pooped outside just twice. He just keeps holding it while outside until I finally bring him in. Then goes on pee pad. I have tray type with grill over top. Kojo hates the grill so keep it off. When he poops usually gets half on edge. He sometimes has one last little ball of poop which falls when he jumps out of pee pad. Then somehow sits on little ball. Butt wash time.

But I cannot trust him. Even if I just saw him poop and pee, I let him out of ex-pen in limit of roon his pen is in. It is like he saves some just to poop and pee on laminate floor. So won't poop outside and reluctantly uses pee pad for poop. Still has accidents while I am watching him. But I don't get to him fast enough to get him to pee pad. At least it is limited to one room.

I have dining area and hallway to rest of the house barracaded with weighted Chewy boxes. But he is getting so smart. I have a Houdini here. He jumps against boxes moving them just enough to get out through. First thing he does is get bathroom rug and drag it out to where his ex-pen is. I want to put a gate at hallway but that also gives him access to kitchen. But maybe better than him breaking through box barracade to get to rest of house. I thought box barracade a temporary thing. But looks like longer term now.

I read that Havanese are notorious for being difficult to housebreak. They are just so smart and very particular about toileting.
Did you talk to the vet about the potty training when he mentioned the anal glands were really full? When my Havís glands are full he poops a little at a time and he absolutely canít help it. Itís how I can tell something is wrong. When he was little he ALWAYS pooped two separate times - at least - before he was finished. My dog is particular about poop but i believe itís because he had these problems when he was little, and heís so smart I think it made him superstitious! It would be really hard to be a puppy trying to figure out potty training, physically immature and having poop issues, and confused by human signals - and not come out the other end a little particular.

Iím not a potty training expert by any means, Iíve only potty trained one dog ever. But some of the things youíve said across multiple threads sound familiar to me, and I was lucky that we figured them out early. If your puppy had soft poop, his anal glands were full, or he couldnít get all his poop out at once, those are all things that can make it difficult for a new owner to read a new puppy and create a lot of confusion, and even if itís resolved now, he learned to accept his mistakes, in part because he is a fast learner.

Fixing it requires backing up to the basics (frequent potty trips, containment) from when you first brought him home, but will require even more fastidious diligence. Donít feel bad about getting someone in to help you hands on. Especially if your family is anything like mine and summer ďvacationĒ is actually more demanding. This forum is fantastic and has such great advice but sometimes you need someone to walk through your setup and routine and help you come up with a plan. Itís so helpful to have a neutral, experienced person observe and point out things in the moment.
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I was just remembering our first summer vacation with our puppy, he was about 6 months old. The first week of summer break I seriously wanted to send my kids to camp for the entire summer! Our puppy had just reached that point where potty training had started to get easy and all of the sudden my kids were home all of the time messing with my routine - they had him all over the house, they were taking him downstairs to go potty and forgetting - so many accidents! But, after a few days we were into a routine and our puppy bounced right back. I didnít even have to disown my children
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