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I thought we were doing well until last night. We fed Finley at 4pm because we knew we had to leave the house at 6pm. We played with him and made him run around, but didn't take him outside because it was raining here. Still no poop. He had pooped at 3:30pm, so I figured maybe he didn't need to go again. Went out to dinner, came back to a clean potty, and thought we were good. Then I checked the video monitor. We left the house at 6:15pm and at 6:35pm, Finley pooped and ate it. ARGH!

Please tell me what I did wrong so that this doesn't happen again. Is he now holding his poop until we leave so that he can eat it?

At this point, my husband and I have decided that someone has to be with the puppy 24/7 for at least the next couple months, even if it means canceling activities, like my son's band concert on Thursday. At least summer vacation starts in 2 weeks, so there will be fewer events on the calendar.
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I'd feed whatever amount the vet thinks. Every food is different too and puppies food/feeding is different too! My guy was 10 months and still on puppy food and pooping 8 times a day!
I wonder if everyone's dog has had accidents in the crate at first? My first 2 dogs did for the first week til they learned control. My 1st. was 8 weeks old and I worked 8 hours a day so I was gone. No one I knew crated back then so advice was limited(1980). The first week I had him, I'd put him in a small bathroom while I was gone and every night I came home to a room that had to be scrubbed. It was disgusting. I bought a crate. It was a little too big for him so for another week, I'd come home to a mess in the crate and a stinking puppy. But I would clean the crate up and the puppy. He got the drift after a week.
That dog, Casper(a Bichon Frise) lived to be 18 and was always crated when I was out. Never an accident in or out of the crate. Well, until his final week when he was loosing control of his bowels and couldn't walk.
My last 2 dogs have been 9-10 months when I got them. Both had accidents when they were left alone the first few times but it was more like they were upset about being alone(separation anxiety). They got over it and the crate elimination was over.
I think the problem arises when the dog thinks they should "go" in the crate, and they do not have a potty place.
I'm not expert but this has been my experience.
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Please tell me what I did wrong so that this doesn't happen again. Is he now holding his poop until we leave so that he can eat it?
You did nothing wrong. But setbacks will occur despite your best efforts. He is not holding it until you are gone. It just happened.

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At this point, my husband and I have decided that someone has to be with the puppy 24/7 for at least the next couple months, even if it means canceling activities, like my son's band concert on Thursday.
Absolutely NO, do not miss your son's band concert. That is not a good idea.

Yes, raising a puppy is a 24/7 job for a relatively short period of time. If you need to get away for an hour or two, can you leave him with a trusted friend? If not, I suggest you consider a doggie diaper. Ricky used one when he was neutered. He hated the cone and we put a diaper on him to keep him from licking his stitches. We still have it someplace. It was jeans material on the outside and looked cute on him. you can buy them at Petco, Petsmart, or any large pet store.

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we have always made Ricky's crate a fun place for him. The crate door is always open for him (except at night when it is bedtime). He is free to come and go as he pleases. Sometimes we put his food bowl in there for feeding. We sometimes put a couple of toys in there for him to find and play with. Sometimes he chooses to go in there just to take a nap. Therefore, he doesn't view his crate as something bad, it is a happy place for him.
I'm so sorry if this sounds dumb, but how do you teach the puppy to "hold it" if the crate door is always open? We did the Dunbar method of crate training in the first few weeks (take him out, play 30 minutes, then put him back in for 15 minutes before taking him to eliminate, repeat many times). But now that Finley is nearly potty trained, we always leave the crate door open.

Again, I'm sorry if this is a dumb question. I'm just really confused right now.
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You did nothing wrong. But setbacks will occur despite your best efforts. He is not holding it until you are gone. It just happened.
Ricky's Popi, I could just kiss you right now! Thank you for saying that. I was kicking myself so hard last night and feeling like a failure.

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If you need to get away for an hour or two, can you leave him with a trusted friend? If not, I suggest you consider a doggie diaper.
OK, I'll try to find a friend to watch him. That's a good idea.

The doggie diaper sounds intriguing! Does the dog not try to pull it off? I'm imagining myself coming home to a diaper ripped off, no poop in sight, and a puppy with the telltale breath.
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I was never able to indoor potty train with poop. I wish I had posted about it because you have great advice here! I just accepted taking him out for poop, but he wasnít regularly eating it. Once he ate another dogís poop - I thought he was holding bark/mulch and about died. I hope that makes you feel better I didnít even handle it well, I completely overreacted!

Itís hard when you canít track his poop schedule. Ours also held it and would ONLY poop on grass. It took a long time for me to figure out that one. The other trouble we had was that our puppy took multiple poops. Sometimes he would poop outside and come in and poop a bit more. Once I realized that it helped because I knew to have him poop twice before taking him back in.

I had to keep mine very focused on potty by controlling where he went and taking him back inside if he didnít poop right away. Always on leash or he would run around like it was playtime. I also had to back up with potty training several times because of poop. He was pee trained long before he was pooped trained, and then one day he started marking and I was SO confused because it looked like he was peeing, he never lifted a leg! All of the containment advice is what worked for us, and it did work so donít give up hope - itís not over yet

I never took him on walks to get him to poop because he was too excited and would clearly forget why he was outside. We did take him on walks after he pooped for a while, but we took him back inside and out through a different door to distinguish play time from poop time. It might have been overkill but Iíll do it again with my next puppy because it worked for us. He goes potty very quickly on command.

Our puppy also had anal gland issues that have resolved, he hasnít had trouble with them in 6 months. I think it was a combination of diet, physical maturity, anxiety, and heartgard giving him diarrhea for at least a week of every month. Poop accidents were always a sign that he needed his glands checked. We never had them emptied on a schedule, but took him to the vet and he did need them emptied about every month or so for a while, which gradually decreased. The vet taught my husband to do it but not his favorite thing so he only did in a few times, I usually took him in. It sounds like you already checked with your vet, but something to consider if his poop isnít pretty firm and heís having accidents.

While youíre figuring this out, it might really help for you to find someone you can leave him with. Itís really hard to be glued to the house, even if itís temporary. We had good luck with the dog sitting/walking/boarding apps, but the more reliable users tend to charge more and are often booked in my area so i do have to plan ahead.
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to reboot... You have him trained to use his indoor potty ok To solve the eating it you have to remove his ability to access it. You cannot leave himm in the xpen wih the crate open. You need to crate him . When you take him out of the crate I would take him outside immediatly. If he goes poop remove it immediately while treating him with your other hand lol. If he doesnt go in ten minutes take him back in to his crate and lock it. Then you have to repeat in a half hour until he goes. If you have someone available to help that would help greatly. He cant be left in his xpen alone for now until you can get him going outside on a regular basis. You need to get a regular feeding time and it would be easier to predict his poop times if you fed two times daily. I don't recommend diapers. Go with your vet for now on amount to feed. Then later you can follow your food co. recommendations https://frommfamily.com/products/dog...commendations/
Monitor weight .
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to reboot... You have him trained to use his indoor potty ok To solve the eating it you have to remove his ability to access it. You cannot leave himm in the xpen wih the crate open. You need to crate him . When you take him out of the crate I would take him outside immediatly. If he goes poop remove it immediately while treating him with your other hand lol. If he doesnt go in ten minutes take him back in to his crate and lock it. Then you have to repeat in a half hour until he goes. If you have someone available to help that would help greatly. He cant be left in his xpen alone for now until you can get him going outside on a regular basis. You need to get a regular feeding time and it would be easier to predict his poop times if you fed two times daily. I don't recommend diapers. Go with your vet for now on amount to feed. Then later you can follow your food co. recommendations https://frommfamily.com/products/dog...commendations/
Monitor weight .
OK, I think I got it. Feed him twice a day, half a cup (?) at each time. Absolutely no leaving him alone in the ex-pen with potty. My questions are as follows:

1) Do I do the crate training you described above only when I think he should poop? So after feeding the puppy breakfast and dinner? I don't do it all day long, right?

2) Can I take him to poop in the indoor potty, or must it be outside? If it has to be outside, why?

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me!!!
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I was never able to indoor potty train with poop. I wish I had posted about it because you have great advice here! I just accepted taking him out for poop, but he wasn’t regularly eating it. Once he ate another dog’s poop - I thought he was holding bark/mulch and about died. I hope that makes you feel better I didn’t even handle it well, I completely overreacted!

It’s hard when you can’t track his poop schedule. Ours also held it and would ONLY poop on grass. It took a long time for me to figure out that one. The other trouble we had was that our puppy took multiple poops. Sometimes he would poop outside and come in and poop a bit more. Once I realized that it helped because I knew to have him poop twice before taking him back in.

I had to keep mine very focused on potty by controlling where he went and taking him back inside if he didn’t poop right away. Always on leash or he would run around like it was playtime. I also had to back up with potty training several times because of poop. He was pee trained long before he was pooped trained, and then one day he started marking and I was SO confused because it looked like he was peeing, he never lifted a leg! All of the containment advice is what worked for us, and it did work so don’t give up hope - it’s not over yet

I never took him on walks to get him to poop because he was too excited and would clearly forget why he was outside. We did take him on walks after he pooped for a while, but we took him back inside and out through a different door to distinguish play time from poop time. It might have been overkill but I’ll do it again with my next puppy because it worked for us. He goes potty very quickly on command.

Our puppy also had anal gland issues that have resolved, he hasn’t had trouble with them in 6 months. I think it was a combination of diet, physical maturity, anxiety, and heartgard giving him diarrhea for at least a week of every month. Poop accidents were always a sign that he needed his glands checked. We never had them emptied on a schedule, but took him to the vet and he did need them emptied about every month or so for a while, which gradually decreased. The vet taught my husband to do it but not his favorite thing so he only did in a few times, I usually took him in. It sounds like you already checked with your vet, but something to consider if his poop isn’t pretty firm and he’s having accidents.

While you’re figuring this out, it might really help for you to find someone you can leave him with. It’s really hard to be glued to the house, even if it’s temporary. We had good luck with the dog sitting/walking/boarding apps, but the more reliable users tend to charge more and are often booked in my area so i do have to plan ahead.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Interesting that you mention the anal glands, because Tere also mentioned her coprophagic dog had really full anal glands. When I read your posts, it reminded me that Finley seems overly interested in his backside/anal area, but I didn't think much of it. I thought he was looking for more poop to eat, LOL! I think I'll make an appointment with my vet and see if they'll check the anal glands (I forgot to ask about it at last week's appointment - not sure if they checked them or not). It's worth a shot to just take a look.
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It’s tricky because anal glands were routinely emptied by groomers and vets for a long time and the advice now is not to do this. Most dogs don’t need them emptied. Based on what my vet said, though, I do think it’s more common for puppies to need occasional help. Sometimes he would scoot, but not always. Twice I was about to take him to the vet because of scooting and accidents and then he pooped enormously and it resolved itself.

There’s a really good chance it’s not even a problem, but at least you’ll know for sure there isn’t a medical reason for accidents and you have a great outline to follow based on the advice from others
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