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This is him right after the blow dry. It’s crazy how much bigger he looks.
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Aww Loki is so cute!!! I love all the hair types on Havanese, and the lengths. I feel like Iím spending more time picking out a hairstyle for this dog than I do for myself lol. What age do they start getting a lot of mats? Is that in the blowing coat stage? Oliver doesnít have very curly hair, and I donít usually have much trouble combing through it. I get a few mats at the feet, which definitely need trimming. Iím waiting for this to get worse!
It was such a nightmare, I try to forget. I think the worst was around his 1st birthday. I think you have a few months before it gets worse. The most important thing is to make sure he understands he has to be groomed. Loki is a curly boy. I donít think silkier coats are quite as bad.

I am still getting a second puppy so it is survivable.


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This isn't the chart I was looking for, but it does give a good outline to check your dogs weight.

https://www.dummies.com/pets/dogs/ho...r-dogs-weight/

In short you should be able to feel the ribs with a layer of flesh/fat over them. Feeling along the rib cage you should be able to feel a waist tuck behind the ribs. Feeling underneath you should be able to feel a tuck up behind the rib cage as you move on to the tummy.
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Blowing coat varies a LOT from one dog to the next. WITH SOME Havanese, the owner barely notices it. With other, it comes on so hard and fast that before the owner is aware, especially if they are a first time Havanese owner, the dog can be matted to the skin.

Kodi was kind of in the middle, and I was DETERMINED to make it work. I also had only one coat to deal with. He started about 10 months and it waxed and waned, sometimes better, sometimes worse, until about 18 months. After two his coat became quite easy.

Pixel has a very fine, profuse coat, with a fine, profuse undercoat. The kind of coat you can't keep your hands off. And it matted like CRAZY when she blew coat. I gave up and put her in a puppy cut for both of our sakes when she was about a year old. Every time I started to let it grow out again, she started getting these tiny, difficult to remove mats again, and she's so cute in a puppy coat, I decided to keep her that way.

Panda's coat was so easy through blowing coat that the only time she really got mats was when she was in heat and also blowing coat and I made the mistake of thinking she needed to wear panties. What a mess!!! bloody mats!!! As it turns out, she can handle herself being in heat with almost NO mess. (I have to watch carefully, or you'd miss the early signs of her coming in heat). She only wears panties for long enough to go to classes (where they are required) and the rest of the time, she keeps herself spic and span. As a result, no mats. But she also has less undercoat the either of the other two.


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He is adorable! I too think it's the contrast between all the fluff and the wet dog that makes you think he's too skinny.

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Blowing coat varies a LOT from one dog to the next. WITH SOME Havanese, the owner barely notices it. With other, it comes on so hard and fast that before the owner is aware, especially if they are a first time Havanese owner, the dog can be matted to the skin.

Kodi was kind of in the middle, and I was DETERMINED to make it work. I also had only one coat to deal with. He started about 10 months and it waxed and waned, sometimes better, sometimes worse, until about 18 months. After two his coat became quite easy.

Pixel has a very fine, profuse coat, with a fine, profuse undercoat. The kind of coat you can't keep your hands off. And it matted like CRAZY when she blew coat. I gave up and put her in a puppy cut for both of our sakes when she was about a year old. Every time I started to let it grow out again, she started getting these tiny, difficult to remove mats again, and she's so cute in a puppy coat, I decided to keep her that way.

Panda's coat was so easy through blowing coat that the only time she really got mats was when she was in heat and also blowing coat and I made the mistake of thinking she needed to wear panties. What a mess!!! bloody mats!!! As it turns out, she can handle herself being in heat with almost NO mess. (I have to watch carefully, or you'd miss the early signs of her coming in heat). She only wears panties for long enough to go to classes (where they are required) and the rest of the time, she keeps herself spic and span. As a result, no mats. But she also has less undercoat the either of the other two.
I can’t really figure out if Oliver has an undercoat or how much! Is the undercoat a different texture? How can you tell? I guess it’s because the two Havs I’ve met locally are cut really short, and because of that are very curly. Oliver has more wave at his roots and then it almost seems straight. He’s fluffy and very soft, easy to brush/ comb. Do they develop the undercoat later (I’m aware I sound so stupid!)? His dad had long, barely wavy chocolate hair and his mom did have to be shaved down after birthing him and his litter unfortunately. I’m sure the blowing coat is hit or miss.
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I believe mine has a very profuse, fine undercoat. Groomers have mentioned it but I have yet to take him to a groomer who has worked on another Havanese. He was easy to comb as a puppy though. It was a pain when he was blowing coat but it was more that it was just hard to keep up with it every day. I tried to be creative to fit it in. i think heís always had an undercoat and it wasnít as noticeable, but Iím not sure. I do know it definitely got thicker and thicker with time. I kept thinking, how is he loosing so much hair when I groom yet heís still so intensely thick? I think with such a dense coat there just comes a point where you just know itís more high maintenance compared to some Havanese. Unless the comparison is unrealistic, like the insane AKC site that says they only need to be combed once a week.

I have a pretty good routine down so itís manageable with exception of his mane area. It takes twice as long to groom there compared to the whole rest of his body combined. No matter how long his mane gets, itís so thick it doesnít hang down. It makes for an ultra soft, poofy dog, though. It does feel silky and not cottony, which was a mystery to me for a long time, and I might still be wrong about that. One of clue for me that he does have an undercoat was that it still takes SO LONG to comb him. The mats arenít completely huge, the bigger issue is how much the coat traps. Iíve been using a dryer more when I comb and brush and it definitely helps, I think both the air pressure and the warmth encourage the loose hairs to slide out, but the hairs fly about the room and float in the air and I havenít figured out how to manage that yet. Even with small sections I can see the little wrapped hairs and comb it 3-4 times and the finest comb slides right around them. I have a brush that traps better but he doesnít like it as much.

It worked out for me because DD is 12 and rarely needs help with her hair anymore, so time wise I just went from blow drying her to combing a puppy. Iíd say thereís less whining from the puppy

I love him and itís completely worth it. Iím so glad I didnít know the potential maintenance because I might have looked at other breeds and I canít imagine life without Havanese anymore. I understand there are breeders out there who have been breeding away from such a dense coat. I donít know much about it, I think I came across it mentioned in a thread here. It is a hope I have for my second puppy.
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I think his undercoat is fine, too. The place we found mats (thank God the groomer got it out!) was right under his collar. The hair really does look fine and cottony there, vs how silky and easy the rest of him is. I wonder how his adult coat will be. We didn't cut any length today, aside from his face. Otherwise just a tidy and his paws desperately needed trimming at the pads.

Groomer says a leather collar won't do this? In general I use a harness for walking, and he does have a microchip. Still, I'm so scared to have him without a collar and my phone number/ AKC registration stuff on it....I would prefer to have a collar on him, God forbid he should get out. Advice?
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I think his undercoat is fine, too. The place we found mats (thank God the groomer got it out!) was right under his collar. The hair really does look fine and cottony there, vs how silky and easy the rest of him is. I wonder how his adult coat will be. We didn't cut any length today, aside from his face. Otherwise just a tidy and his paws desperately needed trimming at the pads.

Groomer says a leather collar won't do this? In general I use a harness for walking, and he does have a microchip. Still, I'm so scared to have him without a collar and my phone number/ AKC registration stuff on it....I would prefer to have a collar on him, God forbid he should get out. Advice?
Itís a tough question, and there are other threads on it because itís not always an easy decision to make. I think you have to evaluate how likely he is to get out, how risky it is if he were to get out, what the circumstances are likely to be, and some of those things will help you decide. I have several collars but mine doesnít wear them. I keep his tags clipped to his harness/lead.

I read the same thing about leather collars/harnesses causing less mats. I know a few people on the forum use them for quick potty trips. I would like to switch to that, but even though we have worked on leash pulling, we still have occasional ďdashingĒ and itís almost always sudden. In those instances he pulls so hard he makes strangling sounds and it terrifies me to have him on a harness that doesnít fit securely beneath his throat where it canít constrict. I try to brush around where his harness is after a walk. I donít know if it helps because Iím afraid to stop doing it, but I think it might. I donít get out the comb and thoroughly groom, I just use the little wooden pin brush quickly around the harness area since I usually comb him in the evenings.
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Probably would help the groomer to bring examples of what you like. I think I am the only Hava owner in the world who loves short ears... I think they are adorable when they bob as he walks! But groomers are like hairdressers, they need some guides, with visuals being much more helpful. We do a very short puppy cut with our year old guy, since his hair grows SO fast! Amazing, he gets a full coat back in about 6 weeks.
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