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Nanu's breeder has accustomed him and his litter mates to using a litter box in there expen. I have heard some Havanese pups are quite good at using a litter box. Does anyone have any "litter" thoughts or experiences to share?
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I wouldn’t have it any other way!

Mine were all litter box trained by their breeders. Of course we had to continue reinforcing good potty habits when they came home, but that good start was invaluable. All easily learned to potty outdoors when it was appropriate without much encouragement beyound a happy “Good Puppy!!!” when caught in the act. All, eventually got to the point where they PREFER. To potty outdoors, but we also made a conscious effort to maintain their “indoor potty skills” (something not everone does) because it is something we value highly.

We live in New England, and we like, when we come down stairs to a foot of new snow in the morning, to be able to tell them, “You’ll have to use the potty this morning, kids!” They sigh, but they do.

It has also helped in other “pinches”. Normally, if we will be out for a full day, we have a pet sitter come in to let them out once or twice to potty and play. But there was a time, (we only had Kodi then) when Dave had a massive heart attack while hiking in thw White Mountains. He had to be air lifted to the nearest cardiac center, which was 2 hours from our home. While he was in the hospital, I was making the daily round trip to be with him, and I could not arrange dog care on short notice. So Kodi was gated in my offoce with his water, his litter box an d some toys for 12-14 hours a day. Certainly not ideal for any of us, but we all survived, and he never had a single accident. You can’t possibly do that with a dog that is not litter box trained!

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Great! So what sort of box do you use and what type of litter do you prefer? Also I see a lot of differing opinions on how easy/difficult it is to house break a Havanese???
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Great! So what sort of box do you use and what type of litter do you prefer? Also I see a lot of differing opinions on how easy/difficult it is to house break a Havanese???
Unfortunately, The litter boxes I have are both discontinued, so I'm not much help. If I had to do it now, I think I'd probably get a tray similar to this:

https://smile.amazon.com/Tierra-Gard...693889&sr=8-30

and then put something similar to this:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07GC8NB...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

cut to fit over the litter. (I just quickly found these on Amazon... look around, there could very well be better choices)

We have a UgoDog (pee pad tray, now discontinued) that is deep enough that you can spread a layer of pellets and still put the grate on. That is what we use in our travel trailer. So it's worth looking into those too. Other people on the forum might be able to tell you if there are other brands of currently available potty trays that will accommodate pellets as well as pee pads. (I don't like pee pads for two reasons... they are bad for the environment (the plastic is not biodegradeable), and they stink as soon as they are peed on once )

The litter part is easy. It's just pine pellet horse bedding. The brand name is Equine Pine. But the kind I use is the store brand sold by Tractor Supply Store. If you have a puppy that won't ingest it you can use it in an open litter box. Many won't... I have two that won't touch it, and one that will get himself in trouble with it if we aren't careful. Ingesting a pine pellet here and there won't hurt the puppy in the least. But you don't want them swallowing a bunch, which could then swell in their tummy, causing an impaction. If you have a covered box with a grate, you really don't have to limit yourself to the pine pellets and can use any wood stove pellets. You don't know what kind of wood is used in wood stove pellets, so there is always the possibility of a toxic wood if there is ANY chance of the puppy picking up a stray piece. We just use the TSS stuff because it's close and cheap.


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Great! So what sort of box do you use and what type of litter do you prefer? Also I see a lot of differing opinions on how easy/difficult it is to house break a Havanese???
Oh, and as far as how difficult is it? I did not find it difficult. (and really, this is no different for a Havanese than any other small breed dog, and they are FAR easier than some toy breeds!) It just takes time. (and the amount of time varies as much with puppies as it does with small children) I think it is as difficult or as easy as you make it. The more diligent you are from the very beginning about supervision and confinement the faster the puppy will be reliable, and the more freedom you can give them... with the goal being as close to "errorless" potty training as you can possibly make it. Understanding that there will ALWAYS be mistakes, so give yourself a break when they happen! ...they just should be few and far between! But also understand that every mistake also sets back your training (which is really a matter of forming good habits (teaching the puppy where he SHOULD go) which is why it is so important to avoid them.

The people who have trouble are those who give the puppy too much freedom too soon, especially if the puppy is successful in a small space in the first few weeks and they consider the puppy "trained". They are often in for a rude surprise. Go slowly in expanding territory. Supervision means full attention, eyes-on. Not watching TV while the puppy plays loose on the first floor, or even in the room with you. If you can't give eyes-on, full-attention supervision, that's fine. No one can all the time. Then the puppy belongs in his ex-pen, with his potty box.

I didn't give ANY of mine unsupervised full-house freedom for over a year, even though there were no mistakes for months before that. But part of the reason that there WERE no mistakes was that I was cautious. And, quite honestly, mine STILL are always gated in my office when we are out of the house because I feel that they are safer in a smaller, more confined space. You never know what will get into even an adult dog's head when left to their own devices for an extended period!


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Absolutely terrific information!
I agree with the confinement approach. We don't plan to take our eyes off of him anyway as cute as he seems to be! But seriously, putting the hard work in off the bat is crucial to us for all the apparent reasons you all have pointed out to us. We want a solid and happy citizen for years to come!
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Absolutely terrific information!
I agree with the confinement approach. We don't plan to take our eyes off of him anyway as cute as he seems to be! But seriously, putting the hard work in off the bat is crucial to us for all the apparent reasons you all have pointed out to us. We want a solid and happy citizen for years to come!
You won't be sorry! It's SO worth the effort!!!


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These are the litter boxes we use. This is a higher price than I've ever paid for one, but sometimes they aren't available at all. I've even made them from Sterilite boxes when they weren't available.
I try to stock up on them, for puppy buyers, when I catch them at a good price.



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This is a little less painful, if you are planning to get two anyway. It's very convenient to have more than one.



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Don't even consider getting the Second Nature dog litter. We started out with that, 20 years ago, or whenever they came out with it. It's recycled newspaper pellets. It turns to mush at the bottom, and really stinks.

The Pine Pellets have almost no odor at all, and where it gets wet, it just turns back to sawdust, which indicates what needs to be taken out, and the rest stays fresh.
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