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Littermates?

I read in a puppy book recently that it is not a good idea to get two littermates because they will "live for each other" not for their humans. Any comments?

And yes, this question is MHS related!
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People say that but I've done it a few times and it was always wonderful for them and for me. I wouldn't hesitate for an instant doing it again. I think only if people are afraid there's not enough love to go around to canine loved ones and human family, do they worry. My experience has been the exact opposite . . . each time. They adored each other and they adored me.

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We have a few folks that have litter mates on our forum I bet they will step in and write.
When we were out looking for a puppy we found a litter and wanted two the breeder said she never sells two puppy's together. I think their were a lot of reasons she felt that way. We went with a Havanese instead of the other breed and brought home one puppy.I waited a few months and got another Havanese. I have mixed feelings I think it would have been better to wait. It reminds me of having the second child who does not get the same attention of the first. And I can't believe how much more work it is with two house training. The way they play is very ruff it reminds be of dog fighting one will try to be the alpha and it goes on and on . I can not play with the new puppy with out a fight like over a toy. I miss the one on one I was able to have before two. The youngest can only get my full attention if I separate them.

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If you have not trained a puppy before , it can be a lot of work and might not be advisable. Here's a letter.

Littermates
On September 13th, 2008 Dr. Jennifer Messer says:
So far as I am aware, there is no solid published data on the issue of problems in rearing littermates. There is, however, a fair amount of anectodal evidence that unless the owner is prepared to spend substantial amounts of time with the pups separately - so they bond more with the owner than with each other - that the puppies are at increased risk of developing social problems.
I'm not convinced that this is any greater a problem with littermates than it would be with any two puppies that who are close in age, get along, and are being reared together. When two puppies are reared together there is a tendency for the owner to rely on the puppies having eachother as social company. This not only puts the puppies at greater risk of bonding more strongly to eachother than to the owner - ultimately giving the owner less control over the dogs in general - but also puts the pups at greater risk of decreased overall socialization to both other dogs and to humans.
Regarding the instances you have cited, and the question of whether raising littermates is a dangerous venture, there are some potential confounders to keep in mind: firstly, dog aggression fatalities much more commonly involve multiple dogs than a single dog - the "pack effect". So any pair of dogs is more likely to be involved in a serious aggression instance than a single dog - all other factors being equal - regardless of whether they are littermates or were reared together in the same home. Secondly, there may well be a reporting bias towards aggression cases involving littermates... in the same way that there are probably reporting biases involving certain breeds.
I wish I could point you in the direction of more solid data ... but I'm not aware of any."

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This is so opposite of what I experienced over and over again in my life. It's interesting because when I went into it each time, I had no expectations, positive or negative. I just assumed it would work if we made it work . . . and it always did. Not once did they become so attached to each other than I was odd man out. They did love each other, to be sure, but they loved me with equal fervor. As far as the potty training went, I found it easier because the minute one got it, the other followed.

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I guess Geri, there are always exceptions. I wouldn't have wanted to try it with my first dog venture though. But geeze Geri, what dog couldn't bond with someone like you. ?

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If it had happened once, I might say it was a fluke, but it was three different times . . . always good. Funny Dave, my girlfriend used to call me the Pied Piper of the canine kingdom. I think they know when they're loved.

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If it had happened once, I might say it was a fluke, but it was three different times . . . always good. Funny Dave, my girlfriend used to call me the Pied Piper of the canine kingdom. I think they know when they're loved.
You are a jewel Geri, you have a gift.

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Oh by the way, Geri, what does the p in pjewel stand for, ... precious?

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I have no experience in this area, but my daughter wanted to get 2 litter mates. She talked with a trainer before hand and he strongly discouraged her from doing so for the reasons mentioned by Dr. Messer.
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