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post #1 of 72 (permalink) Old 07-08-2020, 04:32 PM Thread Starter
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Breeders exploiting buyers

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What is your view on breeders taking advantage of buyers due to the pandemic by raising prices of their puppies to outrageous levels? I understand demand has gone up, but my wages havenít!

We will be looking for a havanese puppy when my kids are a little older but i am always on the lookout on pets4home (UK website) and the UK Kennel Club. The average price in the UK for a Kennel Club registered puppy from an assured breeder with all the documentation is approx. £1500. I have spoken to recognised breeders who have been selling at these prices pre and post pandemic and they are just as appalled by some of these so called breeders. I would like to expose on here who this lady is to make people aware so she doesnít rip off any buyers. Can i mention who she is on her? I can link to her post on pets4home too as i suspect it is still active.

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1500 pounds would be a bargain in the U.S. For the last couple of years a Havanese puppy from a reputable breeder has been costing about the equivalent of 2200 to 2700 pounds, and there is a waiting list for those, as much as a year or more.

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£1500 is the normal price here and every reputable breeder sells at that price. This particular lady is selling at £3500 each! Thatís $4400! I have tried to complain about her to the U.K. kennel club and the local council and they do not seem to care. I messaged her and asked her about her ludicrous prices and she said itís because she has to pay tax


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Sorry I donít think my original post was clear. What I meant was that £1500 is an acceptable price!


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That is about what I paid for Denver (1500 british pounds is about $2500 CAD). Breeders here haven't upped their prices, they just closed their wait lists, though I know it is different in different places.
According to this thread, that's about in the ballpark what they cost in the US as well (1500 british pounds right now is about 1900 USD): https://www.havaneseforum.com/6-gene...-havanese.html

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I didn't see the other posts before mine - 3500 pounds??? That is definitely an inflated price.. WOW!!!!
Hopefully people don't get sucked into it..but I don't think there's a body that you can actually report her to (I don't think the UKC does anything like that anyways).
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Waiting lists are still open and although Iím not on any in the immediate future, I have put my name down for some who will be breeding in 2023 and these breeders have maintained they will keep the same prices (I put down a refundable deposit on 3 breeders). Itís those awful breeders who are exploiting the covid situation and taking advantage of new buyers who hadnít done the same level of research as me.


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The lady in question:
https://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classif...ammanford.html

She stands to make about £16000 from selling these pups. Awful lady, makes my blood boil. Having spoken to two reputable breeders who I have put my name down for for 2023, they also dislike her.


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According to this thread, that's about in the ballpark what they cost in the US as well (1500 british pounds right now is about 1900 USD): https://www.havaneseforum.com/6-gene...-havanese.html
That's not exactly right. Most of the dogs on that list were purchased 5 to 15 years ago, so that skews the price lower for current selling price. For example, what I paid for Ricky 5.5 years ago would be about 50% higher in today's dollars.

My estimate for getting a Havanese from a reputable dealer today with proper health certification and some initial training is in the USD 2500 to 3000 range. Prices on the East Coast appear to be at the higher range while dogs on the West Coast appear to be at the lower range of $2500.

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There are over 60 responses on that poll. You can't tell me that almost all of those are from 5-15 years ago. There are a lot of new owners on the forums these days.
Also, I was looking at several breeders when I was looking to get Denver, and in the US states I was looking at most of the prices were around that $2000 mark with a few being higher.
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