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Move crate or some other multiple crate /expen setup?

Hi All,

I have been combing through this forum for about a couple of hours now trying to find some answers to my questions. While I have found some valuable info I plan to practice when our new puppy (we are naming him Bailey!) comes home next Tuesday, I am still trying to figure out what the best setup would be to properly crate train the little fella.

We live in a two story house with all tile floors on the first floor (save for a downstairs bedroom) and all carpet floors (save for two bathrooms) on the second floor. I spend pretty much all day at the house since i work out of home.

My wife and I plan to keep Bailey's crate/sleeping accommodations in our bedroom on the second floor. For my work, I converted the room next to our bedroom into a home office and pretty much spend the whole day cooped up in there. After work, I stay downstairs, and watch TV while preparing dinner. After dinner, my wife and I like hanging out in the upstairs loft area.

During the day, I was planning to move the crate from the bedroom to my office so I can keep an eye on the little guy while I work. Would this be confusing for the little guy and affect his house training?

If moving the crate is not ideal, what would be a good alternative? Will having a second playpen (soft sided?) that I can move between the loft and my office work?

We are also planning to provide Bailey with indoor "bathroom accommodations" and teach him to use them during the night but also take her out during the day to do his deed. Is there anything wrong with doing this?

In any case we will be providing him a pen downstairs to play in when we are in the great room/kitchen area.

Hoping to hear some suggestions! Great Forum! Cheers!
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I recommend Housetraining for Dummies. It's a SUPER quick read. I read the whole thing in like an hour and it covers ALL of your questions!

I remember it said moving a crate all around isn't confusing for the dog.
But I cant remember if doing indoor and outdoor training is confusing or not. I am pretty sure it said pick one and stick with it. I am strictly doing outdoor, so I ignored the section on indoor potty training.

But I really recommend the book

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Hi Green, It will be fun to here the adventures of your new pup Baily. I wanted to crate train my first Havanese Maddie It never really worked out for me because she cried so much . If you can stick to your guns everything you plan to do would be fine. It would not be to long before he can just lay at your feet while you are working You would laugh if you saw how I salved the crying problem. My computer and desk are in the x pin . I bought a gate at toys are us it is a plastic fencing for out door play pin for kids they are also sold for dogs. I like it because you can set it up many different ways. Your home is much larger than my apartment so I don't have to move around as much as you. If you find the crying too much maybe you cold protect the rug and bailey can hang out with you Here is a picture of the gate system
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Very interesting setup you have there Suzi! I might just try that.

There are so many ways of doing things... Its just so overwhelming...

I'm just hoping that things would be as easy as when my Lab pup first came home... the first thing when she did when she got home was to do her business in the front lawn. After that she never went in the house. Not once!

Keep the suggestions coming!
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I think moving the crate is fine. We did that with my MAggie. She slept in our den in her crate and then I moved her crate into the kitchen during the day. you def need some sort of gating system though to keep him confined. You don't want him to have a lot of room, b/c that can affect potty training. I kept MAggie in a very small part of my kitchen with me( near the sink and counter) , prob the same size as your office. She had access to her door to the outside where i hung my poochie belles ( and would take her out alot, ringing the bells each time we went out with her paw. I quickly gave up all indoor potty pads and such, i personally found it confusing for the puppy. I did it for a few weeks while she was still super young. After that it was all outside. Good luck, it is an exciting but tough time, but it really does go by quickly and is well worth all the work.

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This is a pic of Henry's day crate. (well, he doesn't have a crate for night, but he is known to go into this during the day).

I like it because it's kind of airy since it has no top.
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@MaggieMay and gelbergirl: Thanks for the tips!

@gelbergirl: Thanks for the pic! Henry is such a cutie! One question, Is Henry already fully grown? I was wondering the size of the pen you are using and if he feels cramped at all (he seems very happy with it though).

OK. After scouring the forums and other helpful resources, I am thinking of the following setup:

- This crate to serve as her den. I am planning to move this crate from our bedroom to my office so I can keep an eye on him during the day. I am going to get the 24x18 crate because it seems that is the general consensus for the standard crate size for a Havanese. I also like the fact that it has a divider.

- Two of these pens, one to setup by the kitchen/breakfast nook/great room area and the other to setup in the loft area (as these are the two locations where we spend the most time). The small ones measure 36 x 36 with a height of 2 feet and the large ones measure 63 x 63 with a height of 34 inches. Right now I am up in the air as to which one to get. I am thinking about getting one large one and using 4 panels to build one and the other 4 panels to build the other one. As Bailey grows, i can get use the entire 8 panels for the downstairs pen and get another small (or large) one for the upstairs pen. Anyone with experience with these pens? I'd like to know if you are able to build two separate square pens with the 8 panel model.

- I also am planning for two bathroom accommodations (one on each floor). Later on when he can hold it more I want to also introduce him the idea of relieving himself outdoors. Also, Bailey is mostly white and my wife does not like getting his paws and fur dirty in the sand in our backyard (We live in AZ and just moved in so we haven't had the chance to put rock or pavers in our backyard yet). I want to use a litter box but my wife wants to use pee pads (Guess who wins this debate?!). I guess we will try pee pads first and switch to a litter box if Bailey discovers how much fun shredding pee pads is.

- I will only feed him in the downstairs pen since I want him to be comfortable eating there when we have to leave him alone in the house when we run errands.

- The upstairs pen will only serve as his nap/play/lounge area. Once he gets used to the idea of being alone (and gets more control of his bladder) I plan to put him there while I work as the loft area is just outside of my home office.

- I plan to put different doggie beds in the two pens (different from the one in her crate) for him to nap on. Will this work? Or do I need to put the crate in so he will get used to it?

Anything else I may have missed? Feel free to criticize my plan of action and offer changes where they may be needed. We have six days before Bailey comes home!

On a sadder note, My mom just told me that Orange, our 17 year old Pomeranian is showing early signs of organ failure due to old age. She was our first dog but had to leave her with my parents when we moved (long story). She is still up and about and eating and eliminating regularly but the vet pretty much said that her condition can't be reversed (vet also ruled out surgery) because of her age. With Bailey coming home to us and then this news from my parents make you realize how much of a emotional roller coaster caring for a puppy really is.

Thanks again for all your help and suggestions!

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Henry is an 18 pounder 4 1/2 year old. The crate is 2' x 3' and 2' high.
I do not use it for long lengths of time anymore really. But he does run in there to rest sometimes which is comforting.
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