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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 04-16-2011, 12:54 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy New owner, not so new issue

A plea for help from all you veterans...

Our little Seda, who we brought home at 11wks old and is now 17wks old has continued her puppy habit of nipping/biting during play and when excited. The behavior occurs at times during play but mostly when she is over excited. Her nipping does not draw blood, nor has it ever been accompanied by a growl or aggression. I absolutely plan on puppy training classes. I haven't done so before now because of the immunization schedule advised by my breeder: 3 weeks between each immunization and delay as long as possible the rabies vaccine. the classes I've researched all seem very strict about completion of immunizations before enrollment, especially Rabies. The laws in our county (suburb of Chicago) require Rabies at 4months of age . In the meantime I am seeking to learn what you might advice as measures we can practice at home to deal with this. She LOVES meeting new people but seems unable to resist getting in a nip at a chin or hand when they bend to pet her or try to pick her up. She'll offer excited "kisses" mixed with nips/bites.
My DH allows/loves when she happily wiggles in his arms and excitedly wags her tail while fervently offering kisses which then progress to bites. this occurs when she first greets him in the A.M or when he comes home from work. I advise him to ignore her and turn away until she calms down which he will do. However, as soon as it seems safe to pay attention to her she starts up the same antics. Eventually she does tire and seems content to just sit next to him and chew on a toy. Unfortunately, by then DH has become frustrated :/.
I know how important it is to continue having her meet new people but I feel worried about her "excited" nipping and biting!
I'm not sure if jumping into private training is necessary at this point (she's barely 5 months old) or if I/we need to calm down and work on this ourselves.
Again, from what I've learned, I don't believe her biting is fearful, aggressive or guarding. PLEASE help!! I really want to do the right thing.....
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My pup is 9 weeks. I have had him a week. I spoke to the breeder about his behavior and she said it will get better as he gets older. About 12 weeks. I see she is older. I try to have chew toys in my hand when I pick him up and tell him "no bite"!

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Hello. This is what I did with Ache for the biting, as suggested by the trainer. You can search around information about bite inhibition and it may be better explained than what I can say but in my words... Everytime Ache bit, I( or the person bitten ) said OUCH really loud, just turn around and don't even look at her. Stop all attention towards the puppy for 30 - 60 seconds. If she bites really hard, you should walk away to some place where she can't see you. It is easier if the puppy is tethered while playing with you but if she is free, you can go inside a room and close the door for 30 - 60 seconds. Almost sure, the puppy will wait for you at the door. When you go out, if she is calmer, you say " much better " and start again... OVER AND OVER AGAIN. You have to do the same thing if she bites your pants or shoes. It is not easy but it works and she will soon learn that biting is not fun. Good luck !


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As part of socialization among dogs in a pack, when one bites and hurts the other one yelps loudly. I do this automatically, my puppy bites I say ouch, and it comes out loud. Then we cease play and I put her away in her crate for a little while. I notice that the older dogs taught her it's not the right thing to do, and I do provide lots of chewables like rawhide bones and they work well (note when the bone gets too soft and frayed throw it away to avoid your baby choking on a piece she's ripped off). Know this, as the teething stops so will the biting.

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Amelia did that nipping behavior for awhile and we were getting worried. She would bite my hands, and pants and when pushed away would become more nippy. We began to make a sharp ouch sound when she would do it and then walk into the other room for 30 seconds. Then return and act like nothing had happened. This was done over and over again and eventually it worked. She is 7 months now and we have no problems with her nipping anymore.
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As far as puppy classes. The new and improved thinking on this is not to wait. By four months the critical period is coming to an end. Here is AVSAB's position statement on this. http://www.avsabonline.org/avsabonli...ialization.pdf It's good he's biting , that's when to train him. Here's an article. http://www.dogstardaily.com/training...ite-inhibition

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Lizzie would get so excited when my 10 year old would come down in the morning. It got to the point that she could not walk and the nipping would annoy her. We did the loud yelp and walked away or even sat on the couch. We would also say "no bite". As she got older is subsided. Now she has started gently nipping our pants if she is super excited, so we are doing the same thing.

@Dave-I am so frustrated with my vet and the rules of the classes around here. Lizzie is not socialized as much as she should be because I was chastised about taking her anywhere until she was fully vaccinated. That coupled with car sickness limited her exposure. She is great with kids and little dogs, but not bigger dogs.

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My Zoey is a mo older and she does the same thing but only about once a day and I notice it is when she has not had as much exercise during the day. She is like going crazey and treating me like she and Maddie treat each other I just walk away and distract her in some way. The other comments are much better then mine. She has learned a soft bight because of all the play with her sister so it doesn't hurt.

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I always did the loud squeeeeel with a high-pitched 'OOUUUCH"
usually they stop
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Lizzie would get so excited when my 10 year old would come down in the morning. It got to the point that she could not walk and the nipping would annoy her. We did the loud yelp and walked away or even sat on the couch. We would also say "no bite". As she got older is subsided. Now she has started gently nipping our pants if she is super excited, so we are doing the same thing.

@Dave-I am so frustrated with my vet and the rules of the classes around here. Lizzie is not socialized as much as she should be because I was chastised about taking her anywhere until she was fully vaccinated. That coupled with car sickness limited her exposure. She is great with kids and little dogs, but not bigger dogs.
I hear you Lynne, some vets are still in the Dark Ages. Here is R.K. Anderson's letter to vets. If they haven't heard of him , it's pretty scary.
Make sure to copy it or email it. It's time we filled them in. http://www.apdt.com/petowners/articl...rsonLetter.pdf

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