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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 12-24-2011, 09:43 AM Thread Starter
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Puppy is home!!

Picked her up yesterday and she came bounding right out of crate. Too cute. She is currently being hidden at my sister's house until Christmas so will post pictures tomorow. I do have a question though She appears to have an underbite. I bought her for showing so is this likely to correct itself? There is alot of conflictin info out there She is going to vet this afternoon but just wanted to know if anyone's pup had an underbite correct itself.....
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Congratulations what a great Christmas surprise. It depends on how much of a under bight it is . The upper and lower jaw grows a different rates. The jaw stops growing at about 5 mo. It is better to have a perfect scissors bite especially for a show puppy and if your breeder sold your pup as a show puppy she shouldn't have picked that puppy . that being said Zoey had a under bight that corrected itself not totally she doesn't have a perfect scissors bite and can be a flaw for showing. she has what is called a even bite.
I would talk to your vet and ask him about having the bottom baby teeth removed I wanted to do that with Zoey and regret I didn't I was told that could help. With a show puppy you also wanted to have the puppy soaped down to view the legs. Their are many other things a show pup needs in order to be successful in the ring. Like stance and how their back looks. The slite rise should be prominent and obvious . The chest is important.
I'm just learning myself so I hope others with better knowledge step in. I think if you really want a good show puppy I would rethink if your breeder sent of a dog with an under bite and didn't evaluate your pup as a show potential. The competition is so stiff you will just be wasting your time and money with a dog that may not be a show pup.

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Congratulations on your new puppy and welcome to the forum.

If it's your puppy in the picture, she is adorable. As far as underbite goes, here's what the standard calls for. This is a quote from the standard on Havanese.org

"A scissors bite is ideal and a full complement of incisors is preferred."

I have never seen an underbite fully correct itself, nor have I seen Havanese with an underbite in a competition. I know a breeder pulled a show puppy prospect from showing because the bite went off.

Best of luck with your new puppy.

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congrats!! How exciting!!! Whimsy has a slight underbite..her breeder let me know about that from the get go. I wasn't looking for a show dog so it didn't matter to me. She is full grown now and still has it.

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A dog with an undershot bite is not a show prospect! And....even if it passes for perfect someday by having teeth pulled, what happens when you eventually breed the dog? Do you want the undershot bite to be passed onto offspring? I'd talk to your breeder immediately!
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Hyperventilating over here.
Puppy got unfit for sale certificate
sob sob sob

First let me say she's adorable and has already wormed her way into my heart. However her teeth are badly aligned and vet gave her unfit bill of health I was overwhemed by all the surgery recommendations and the idea of the fortune in vet bills I will be facing.

This pup was supposed to be my daughter's show dog and now she will never be a show dog. I am waiting to hear from breeder but I don't know what to do I can't give her to my daughter tomorow becasue she'll never give her back but will have to pass on showing her if nothing else. But if I don't give her to my daughter hoiw will I explain the dog toys leashes and dog paraphenalia that are wrapped unfer tree for her????????


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Wow! I am so sorry to hear that, only you know what is best for you and your family. I think you can explain to your daughter that the dog is still not ready to come home...... and you hopefully find a more reputable breeder. I don't even know what to day.
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I'm so sorry to hear that your vet gave her an unfit bill of health too. You would have thought that the breeders vet would have noticed the things your vet noticed. It seems to me that you have two options. You either ask the breeder for the difference in $$ between what you paid as a show dog prospect and pet price, and have her spayed and keep her for a pet only, or you return her and wait for an appropriate show prospect (based on your vet's approval as well). As far as your daughter, you need to explain what happened. If she is bent on showing, she needs to have something that is show worthy and should settle for nothing less!
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I can not even imagine a reputable breeder selling you a pup that is unfit health wise,has an underbite as a show dog. Is this person a REPUTABLE breeder? I would send the puppy back,insist on a refund and seek a reputable breeder who knows what they are doing.

It sounds harsh--but no one should be taken advantage of and I personally do not believe in giving a dog as a gift for any reason. Why not give your daughter the leash and dog things and have her meet a reputable breeder and wait for the correct havanese. She will learn from a breeder such as this and be more prepared for the ring a bit later (by being educated about the breed).

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Thats a drag Its a bit late for my input being Christmas day. Look in to seeing if there is a Havanese club near you . Join with your daughter that way she can meet local breeders that show. Its fun just to go watch for awhile. That way she can learn what look she likes. I never really new it but their are several looks in a Havanese. It was also fun for me because some breeders actually needed my help while at the show.

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