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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 02-12-2012, 01:11 PM Thread Starter
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Vent Warning... Timmy has been doing so well with potty training, or he has trained me very well. This weekend we had to split up with me being away overnight the first half of the weekend and my husband overnight the second half, because of my younger daughter's swim meet. Timmy was never home alone during this span, my 15 year old daughter was home with Timmy, during the switch off. I left explicit written instructions on his daily routine, when to feed, when he usually has to go out and how often he should be taken out if he doesn't scratch on the door, he's really on a pretty set schedule. He hasn't pooped in the house in weeks except on his pad when he went himself or I insisted, and his pee accidents are usually when I've left someone else in charge of him and upon my return I'll see little puddles. I'll ask if he scratched on the door and they say "I don't know." "No he didn't" "I didn't even know he peed." The first half of the weekend sounded like a disaster in the potty training area, poops (yes multiple) and pee accidents but I think it's because the rest of my family doesn't get it. I asked if they took him out and their excuse was that Timmy didn't like the snow so he didn't want to go out (really?), I think it's more like they didn't want to go out. Timmy isn't too keen on using the pads, it's harder to make him go on the pad after he scratches on the door then it is to just take him out and tell him to "go potty." If I were home I would have made Timmy go out and do his business, which he has with me in inclement weather previously. I don't want to rock the boat, I know they were doing the best they could, and I need to learn to delegate and be less critical. It's just so frustrating to think you have things under control and they just fall apart when you're not running the show. Has anyone else felt this way? I feel like a drill sergeant with these instructions, maybe I'm too bossy and my human family is revolting and planning to mutiny me. The good news is I came home last last night and we're back on track today, no accidents, so I don't think any harm was done but really? Thanks for listening, I feel much better now, phew.

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You sound like you could be me!!!

Next month we have to stay overnight 2 hours away for my daughter's dive meet. Lizzie will be home with my 17yo DD. I am very in tune to Lizzie's signals which are often just looking at me or jumping up next to me on the couch boring a hole in me with her eyes. Well, I just know that DD will be busy doing nothing or watching TV and will miss some signals. Luckily, Lizzie can hold her urine forever, it's the poop that might be the problem. This is just the start of meet season, too. There is a meet in Maryland that I think I am going to tell her no to. It is optional. The rest are at colleges 1 hour away. Then if she makes it to regionals it's off to Louisville.

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I know exactly what you mean. When Kodi was being potty trained, I couldn't trust ANYONE in the family to really keep track of things. The only solution was to have them keep him in his ex-pen at all times, which, of course, you can't do for a whole weekend. Fortunately, I have a good friend who is also a dog trainer, so when I had to be away from home, even over night, I left him with her. SHE made sure he got out often enough that there were no accidents and no set-back in his training. (in fact, I think it helped, because he just followed along and did what all the "big dogs" did)

Now that he is an adult and fully trained, my husband can handle getting him out when he needs to go with no problem. But I STILL can't trust my 19 year old son to get him out when he needs to go. And the problem is, that he will always pee in his box if he can't go outside, but really HATES to use the box to poop. If you want him to use the box (because it's awful outside) you have to stand with him and remind him to "go potty" until he finally gives in. My son will either take him outside but not give him long enough to go, or will tell him to use the box, but not not really insist.

The result has been that I've come home to "presents" a couple of times when I've left my son in charge. As a result, I just don't leave him in charge of Kodi. If Kodi can't be with me or or Dave, and needs to be left for more than 8 hours or so, I leave him with a friend that I CAN rely on! When he's home with my son, if my son isn't actively playing with him, he knows that Kodi has to be in his expen (with litter box), just as he would be if no one were home. Kodi has adjusted fine to this, and is no longer put in a position where he feels that he has no choice but to make a mistake.

My older son can be trusted, but he's away at school, and when he's home, working full time, so he's just not around much.


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Yay it's not only me!!!!! I have to admit though my husband is also part of the non observation group too, not just my 15 year old. I understand that they aren't as in tune with Timmy's signals, heck they aren't with him all that much, but he does scratch on the door, pretty obvious in my book. I was really frustrated recently because he kept scratching on the door and I was obligated to take him out and half the time he didn't even go, but that was his signal so I had to respect it. That has stopped though, I think it was kind of a novelty at first, he is only 14 weeks old.

I feel your pain with kid's athletics. My older daughter played soccer, in and out in about an hour and perhaps one or two tournaments. My younger daughter who's 12 swims year round and those meets are like 4-5 hours long both Saturday and Sunday and then you have to go back for Finals later in the day, exhausting! Are dive meets like that? I imagine they are. She did great Saturday, won all prelims and finals. She won all her prelims today so she's back at 5:00 for finals tonight. This is not a super competitive meet though, just a couple personal best times. They have a two hour ride home tonight and school tomorrow, ugly.

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You are all making me feel better. Timmy hates his ex pen, I've opened it up and he stays in our gated off family room with his pee pads. He doesn't like using his pads either. My husband and daughter don't keep him out long enough sometimes either. I ask them if he peed and they're like "I couldn't tell." I wish I had a dog trainer friend but I don't. Timmy is starting Puppy K on Tuesday maybe I'll work on his trainer, ha ha. I'm sure it will be easier as he gets older, and he is on a pretty good schedule you just have to be aware of it. I'm sure in time they will adjust their behavior, we've only had Timmy for about a month.

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It sounds like Timmy is doing great! I did use bells when Brady and Dugan were puppies. The bells are a little harder to ignore. I used http://poochie-pets.net/ (poochie bells). Mine were always good about scratching at the doors, so it was easy to train them on the bells. I did get rid of them after a while though. Dugan eventually decided that they were great to get mom off the couch and no necessarily to go out.


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You are all making me feel better. Timmy hates his ex pen, I've opened it up and he stays in our gated off family room with his pee pads. He doesn't like using his pads either. My husband and daughter don't keep him out long enough sometimes either. I ask them if he peed and they're like "I couldn't tell." I wish I had a dog trainer friend but I don't. Timmy is starting Puppy K on Tuesday maybe I'll work on his trainer, ha ha. I'm sure it will be easier as he gets older, and he is on a pretty good schedule you just have to be aware of it. I'm sure in time they will adjust their behavior, we've only had Timmy for about a month.
Once you have him at school, see if you can network and find a dog-savvy person who can help when you need to be away. The person I use regularly now, is not my friend (who lives further away, and wouldn't let me pay her!) but one of the trainers at our training center. She is also a groomer, so enjoys playing "Barbie" with him. Of course, I do have to pay her, but that means I don't feel guilty about using her, either! Kodi adores her, adores her dogs, and I feel SO comfortable going away, knowing he's having a blast while I'm gone. I couldn't leave him at a typical boarding facility... I know he'd hate it. But when we see her, he RUSHES over to her, clearly delighted.


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If you can just get past the first year of potty training, it does get easier. I really depended on dh to help me take out Jack when I was sleeping (work nights), I was so exhausted and I had to remind dh to take Jack outside around noon....then, there were times that Jack did not want to go out with dh and Jack wanted to stay with me and sleep. I ended up taking Jack out which broke up my sleep.

It does get easier after a year with potty training.



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You are definitely not alone! My bf, for all that he loves the dogs and tries, just cannot be a mom. So far we keep our pup (12 wks old) mostly in her playpen, so there are no chances for accidents. I dread when we start giving her more freedom and I have to leave. When our lab was young I had to go on a two week research trip, and returned to find my Kashmiri rug that I bought in India chewed up, as well as my hiking boots I'd had since I was 16. Not. Happy.
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you are not alone. I feel like a drill sargent nearly all the time. and NOT because of TIllie... take a bath, do your homework, bring the laundry in, DON'T argue with me, can you PLEASE let Tillie out.... the list goes on and on. Someday I'd LOVE to get a break, I hate being the one in charge 24/7, but if I'm not, it all goes to heck in a hand basket FAST.

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