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Best food for puppy? - raw vs. wet vs. dry

Hello everyone!

My name is Rebecca and I'm new to the forum. I have a 3 mo. hav, my first! She's currently eating Orijen puppy kibble, and while she eats it when I hand feed it to her... it doesn't really seem appealing. I've been feeding her twice, and taking it away after an hour.

I've had many dogs in my life over the years and the majority of them were more fond of wet food. I've also read into the raw food diet, which interest me most - as I'd like to stick to all natural ways of feeding my pup.

As I've been looking over the forum, I've read some interesting articles on each category: raw, dry & wet.

I was wondering if I could get some input regarding Orijen... is it sufficient as a kibble because of it's unique qualities? (are they even unique? ) Would a wet food be better, or is this kibble an exceptional kibble? How have your experiences been with raw food? I searched a few terms in the query but didn't come up with the exact responses I was looking for.

Thanks in advance for any help!

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I love your picture of darling little layla Okay I will be the advocate for you sticking with the food you are feeding. I had a hard time getting mine to eat at that age too. So I boiled chicken breasts and saved the water. I chopped up the chicken and put in two ice trays along with the water. Freeze and microwave for about 1 min. I added one cube to each meal and my baby's would eat their whole meal. It only takes about 3 chicken breasts for about two weeks of food.
When I tried can food Zoeys white face turned color. I would think raw would be the same problem. I also have a problem with salmonella and ecol i. Thats just me others love feeding their dogs raw.

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Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your ADORABLE baby!!!!

Another option to consider is homecooked, with a consult with a dog nutrionisit to make sure it is all nutritionally balanced. Just another option that is very good for your hav! Some work, but well worth it in the long run and WAY cheaper than canned wet food!

Looking forward to watching your baby grow up!!

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Welcome. Layla is precious1

I have a terrible eater and I've been through it all. I realize there are optimal and more optimal ways of feeding dogs. There are many and varied benefits to wet, raw and home cooked foods. Orijen is a fantastic option if kibble is what you prefer. Just a couple of things based on my experience:
- Some Havs are more finicky than others. You may have a puppy who isn't a big eater. This will stress you out in the future but, like having a baby, as long as the vet is happy with her growth you're OK.
- They need way less food than we think. A full grown Hav of about 15lbs needs about 2/3-1cup of food per day, divided into 2 meals. At 3 months her stomach is still small and she may not eat what looks like a full portion, but is probably enough for her.
- Be careful about switching up foods to often, i.e. going from dry to wet to raw to home cooked. I did this and I only made a bad situation worse. Pick something and stick with it. Of course, once she's older it would probably be ok to switch between flavors of the same kibble for variety.
- Don't feed her scraps from the table. They develop a taste for people food very quickly. I know because I made this mistake too. Now when I eat Eli sits next to me waiting patiently (and sometimes not so much) for his taste. If it's dog friendly we normally cave. This sets a terrible precedent so be strong if you can - with that face it's really hard!
- One last thing, be realistic about what you want and have time to do, as well as money. Raw is expensive. Home cooked is very time consuming (and can be expensive too). Do what realistically fits your schedule, desire and budget.

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I agree with Ellie except the people food. I give Rosie a good quality kibble and when she was a puppy, I mixed a little wet in. Just enough to coat each bite. That didn't last very long just until she started eating good for me. I cook nearly every day one hot meal and usually have some for Rosie. She knows when the chopping board comes out that something good is coming her way. But it is not necessary of course. I just do it because it feels good to me. If company comes, we have to put Rosie upstairs so everyone can eat in peace. So be very careful what you start. Even stay at home moms don't always cook every meal and processed foods are just not suitable for a pet. If the pet gets homecooked meat every day or enough to overcome his hunger, the pet will not eat the kibble. So it is a fine line with the people food. As long as you get a good quality kibble--make sure that meat is the first ingredient and no corn (they are not cows), your puppy will do well.
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Both of my dogs were switched to a Raw diet from the day they came home and that is all I have ever fed them.

I have never really sat down to calculate the price difference with kibble vs. raw since I have no plans to feed kibble, but I have heard Raw is more expensive.

Here is a website that rates commercial raw foods. If you ever decide to go this route, make sure to educate yourself before switching.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-fo...ws/raw/5-star/

And the picture of your Layla is adorable, what a sweet little face!

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I agree with Ellie except the people food. I give Rosie a good quality kibble and when she was a puppy, I mixed a little wet in. Just enough to coat each bite. That didn't last very long just until she started eating good for me. I cook nearly every day one hot meal and usually have some for Rosie. She knows when the chopping board comes out that something good is coming her way. But it is not necessary of course. I just do it because it feels good to me. If company comes, we have to put Rosie upstairs so everyone can eat in peace. So be very careful what you start. Even stay at home moms don't always cook every meal and processed foods are just not suitable for a pet. If the pet gets homecooked meat every day or enough to overcome his hunger, the pet will not eat the kibble. So it is a fine line with the people food. As long as you get a good quality kibble--make sure that meat is the first ingredient and no corn (they are not cows), your puppy will do well.
I really should clarify. I give Eli raw fruits, vegetables, grilled meats (unseasoned usually), cheese, plain yogurt, eggs, rice, boneless fish, etc... if we're having it. If it falls into a whole/unprocessed foods family and is safe I think it's healthy and OK to do. I was referring to the more commercial foods that we eat. I was talking with a fellow dog owner in a Trader Joe's and he was sharing that his dog ate pancakes with syrup and bacon for breakfast with the rest of the family. I would NEVER feed Eli that.

I still recommend establishing a puppies diet first before giving these foods. First of all, you want to identify any potential allergies early and that's not possible to do if you feed lots of different foods. Secondly, unlike kids, I don't necessarily agree that it's a good thing to expand their palette too much. A dog that learns to eat their dog food -whatever it may be - is likely happier and healthier than a finicky eater.

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Your Layla is beautiful, what a sweet face!

I feed Cooper ( 3 mths. old) Candidae Pure Elements grain free dry kibble. 1/4 cup 3x a day. What he doesn't finish (breakfast) I put in my sweater pocket and has become a routine for him to sit in my lap and he empties my pocket. I know bad habit but he isn't big on eating his breakfast (too busy playing around).

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Ellie I give Rosie about the same things--no processed foods but if we are having good people food, Rosie gets a share for her nightime meal. The morning is always kibble. I won't go all homecooked because I want to make sure she has all the vitamins she needs and don't want to go to all the trouble some are doing for homecooked. If I am making beef pot-roast (our own grass-fed) or stew, I give Rosie some in the raw stage because of the seasonings. I have studied a lot of ingredient lists on ddogfood packages. All of them good and bad have a list of vitimins along with a list of things no dog would ever eat unless he was starving--tomatoes for instance. The veggies are listed before the sprayed on vitamins. I would assume that they are added for the nutrients and vitamins they contain, then I see the list of sprayed on vitamins. Yeah how does she know that they spray them on--I watched a film about breakfast cereals and they spray the vitamins on the finished product. Bound to do the same for dog food.
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I feed my guys (except my Lhasa he is on a special diet) Orijen but I feed a spoonful of a good canned food in it, just to give them a change. I change the canned from time to time but always feed the Orijen, I am using the fish all life stages. You have to choose what works best with your life style.

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