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Question Multiple potties?

Our new puppy arrives March 11th and I've been reading up a storm and getting beyond prepared. I am planning to set up a pen in the kitchen enclosing a space (think it's 6 by 3 feet or maybe a bit smaller) which encloses Lucky's crate, a play area, a potty area and a place for the feeding bowls. Think this is what's called a little apartment. ANyways, thought we could keep an eye on him and introduce the potty area regularly. My question is this. Is it confusing for the dog to have a second potty area on the second floor of the house? I was thinking I could keep his crate within comforting distance as folks have suggested the first nights at home and if he seemed to need it, I could remove him and place him on a conveniently located potty pad rather than try to take him all the way downstairs. I know this sounds lazy and maybe it's confusing. But isn't it ultimately about going on the potty pad, wherever it is (outside in time)? Or is it about going to the potty pad in the pen in the kitchen always? Seems important because if for example we were playing with the puppy outside his pen and he needed to go, we might move the potty pad outside of the pen. No? I may be missing something big here. THanks for any insight you can provide.
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Lucky will be ten weeks old when he comes home.
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I've never house trained a puppy before. I adopted Sergio when he was two. I've had him under a month now. He prefers to go outside. He will use the potty pad, only if I'm not there to take him outside and he has NO other alternative. I was very lazy in the beginning and had no idea I would need to take him outside up to 4x a day. I am now thrilled that he does his business outside and fully understands that he doesn't go on carpet. I'm sure it's confusing for them to know when and why it's okay to go inside sometimes, but not other times.

Also, for myself, I had to move the xpen/crate/potty pad area out of the kitchen, even though that's the only area in my apartment that has tile other than my very small bathroom, which I don't want to share with him. I set up another area and used a shower curtain on the carpet, covered by a washable exercise mat, covered by protective bedding. This area has worked out best for us both. I just couldn't come home from work any more and see that he had "gone" potty even on the potty pad, in my kitchen where I prepare food and eat.
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I would stick with whatever surface he is used to pottying on now. It will not be confusing to have the same type thing in multiple places. We raise ours to use litter boxes. Our rule of thumb for distance, is no box farther away in feet, than the number of weeks old the pup is. Ours get the run of our living room -16x24 with two alcoves 12x12 making it 36 feet across on the front-when they are 8 weeks old during play time, but there are multiple boxes so that no one is more than 8 feet away wherever they are. Past whenever you think one is completely reliable, then it can be cut way back to one.

I have no doubt that one of ours wouldn't know what a piddle pad was for if someone abruptly changed from the litter boxes they are used to. That's why I said stick with what he was raised using. There can be a transition to something different, but an abrupt change is the same as giving them license to start going on the floor.

Just always remember, at early ages, it's all about habit. Don't expect one to use any reasoning about it until they are much older.

If you teach the command, "go potty", it makes it much easier to get one to go in a new place. If you find some of my really old posts here, probably back at the very beginning of the Forums, I posted how to quickly teach one to go on command. I can do it the fiirst night we have one here by itself.

Also, it is not confusing to one to both go outside, and in a correct place inside. All ours do it starting at 4 or 5 weeks going outside, and they have already learned to use a litter box inside. Some will always prefer to go either outside or inside, but all will use a litter box if they need to-for instance if it's blowing rain outside, even though they have free access to a dog door.

For initial play, open one side of the expen, and play with him near it so he can go back to the right place to potty. He will probably need to be picked up, placed on it, and reminded a few times to start with. You can gradually allow more free space, as long as he goes back to the right spot.

Doing it right to start with is most important. It's an accident if it happens once. More than once doing anything, with these dogs, has become a habit.

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Tom, one thing I have found with Kodi is that once he was passed early puppyhood, he has been very resistant to using the litter box in his ex-pen except as a last resort. I think he may feel it is too close to his "bed" (his attached crate). So we have a litter box in his ex-pen in case he needs it, either over night or if we are away from home, but he only very occasionally uses that one. He would NEVER choose to enter the ex-pen to use the litter box, although he will sometimes use it if he is shut in the ex-pen.

His "main" litter box is in the kitchen, and while he prefers to go outside, if the weather is really bad out, he'll grumble and mutter, then use that one.


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Brio prefers to go outside too, and will hold it for a long time. Even first thing in the morning, I take him out of his crate in our bedroom first and put him on the floor in the dog room. He could go out on his own, but will take time to greet each of the other dogs as they are let out, and then go out with everyone else. He's still young enough to need to be in an expen when we are doing something besides just sitting in the house, since he's in the chewing stage, and he doesn't want to use his box either, unless he really needs to.

I was talking about first play with new puppies in opening the expen, and playing close to it. After that stage each one will develop one method they prefer. But we have litter boxes in the dog room for when one doesn't want to go out. They all prefer to go outside, but if it's blowing rain under the dog porch, they don't want to go out.
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I would stick with whatever surface he is used to pottying on now. It will not be confusing to have the same type thing in multiple places. We raise ours to use litter boxes. Our rule of thumb for distance, is no box farther away in feet, than the number of weeks old the pup is. Ours get the run of our living room -16x24 with two alcoves 12x12 making it 36 feet across on the front-when they are 8 weeks old during play time, but there are multiple boxes so that no one is more than 8 feet away wherever they are. Past whenever you think one is completely reliable, then it can be cut way back to one.

I have no doubt that one of ours wouldn't know what a piddle pad was for if someone abruptly changed from the litter boxes they are used to. That's why I said stick with what he was raised using. There can be a transition to something different, but an abrupt change is the same as giving them license to start going on the floor.

Just always remember, at early ages, it's all about habit. Don't expect one to use any reasoning about it until they are much older.

If you teach the command, "go potty", it makes it much easier to get one to go in a new place. If you find some of my really old posts here, probably back at the very beginning of the Forums, I posted how to quickly teach one to go on command. I can do it the fiirst night we have one here by itself.

Also, it is not confusing to one to both go outside, and in a correct place inside. All ours do it starting at 4 or 5 weeks going outside, and they have already learned to use a litter box inside. Some will always prefer to go either outside or inside, but all will use a litter box if they need to-for instance if it's blowing rain outside, even though they have free access to a dog door.

For initial play, open one side of the expen, and play with him near it so he can go back to the right place to potty. He will probably need to be picked up, placed on it, and reminded a few times to start with. You can gradually allow more free space, as long as he goes back to the right spot.

Doing it right to start with is most important. It's an accident if it happens once. More than once doing anything, with these dogs, has become a habit.
a couple of questions - #1 if puppy has used newspaper at breeder, how can I transition to litter box when puppy comes home #2 what kind of litter and box do you suggest using? any particular brand?
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Thank you Tom. I am relieved to hear it's the surface more than location that reminds them of what's to be done there. Makes good sense. Hope to find a way to retrieve your early message on going on command. Great stuff. Much appreciated.
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I trained Laila on the "potty park" that looks like grass. She had one in the xpen, one in the upstairs bathroom all the while training her for outside. She never got confused. If she rang the bell to go out and we didn't hear it, then she went on her potty downstairs. And if we didn't get her signals upstairs she would just run into the bathroom and use it. She is a little under 1 1/2 years old and all the potty parks are gone & she is totally trained outside.

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I have two "Rascal Dog" systems (similar to the Potty Park, in that they have grass mats that you can use) The trouble I had with the mats is that very quickly, I couldn't get the smell out of them, no matter what I did. Fortunately, I LOVE the boxes, (they come with a plastic mesh cover too, so you can use them like a UgoDog, a grass matt Potty Park or a litter box... very versatile!) so they were still worth it to me. But the "grass" got tossed long ago.

The only thing I was thinking about was putting one on our (covered) back porch with a grass mat for really snowy winter weather, before we get dug out.... but then we never HAD any real snow this year!


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