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the crate pen first night thing again

Hi. Lucky finally comes home to us on Tuesday and I was wondering...We have one of those large open crate/small pens (36 long and 24 wide) and I was wondering if I couldn't just move that right next to my bed and put on one side of it a small fleece mat for sleeping and next to it (I know dogs like not to potty in their crates but there would surely be room and it would look a little like Tom King's set up with the litter box right next to the blanket for young pups) SO that I could easily reach down and comfort Lucky if he's anxious AnD it would be easy for him to move from mat to puppy pad if he has to go potty in the night (or for me to move him over to it). We'll have a large xpen with an open door little travel crate in the kitchen and I'm not suggesting this instead of getting used to the small crate. It just seems like it would make things easier for all of us. Oh, he'll be nine weeks with no promise of prior potty training. Has anyone tried this? Our long time goal is for him to go outside when he likes but also to have a potty station indoors as needed (we live half time in a high rise). Thanks for any guidance you veterans can provide.

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I think that sounds like a good plan. I had a small travel crate right on my bed right next to me. I was able to put my finger in and try to comfort them while settling down. Well that only lasted about three nights. Then mine just sleep right next to my head. I had to get up in the middle of the night anyway so I had a piddle pad in the bathroom and we would both go at the same time. The problem started when they learned to jump off the bed and I didn't hear them I think my training went bad because they weren't crate trained. Now A year and a half latter they are finally sleeping threw the night and hold it to go outside. I can even get up and come back to bed while they stay sleeping on my bed.
Will it be hard to move your set up or are you planing on having two?

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Thanks Suzi. I have a second set up for the apartment so we can replicate it there. I just worry about the proximity of the piddle pad to the sleep part, but I'll bet I can change it as
we get to know each other better and I get to know the puppy's capacity etc. It might even turn out that he likes the crate so much that I'll just use that...it's daunting to read that the first week is so very important and you can make or break the future in seven days. I think need to relax a little and see how things unfold. Appreciate your help.

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I think that is not a problem. I have a similar set up with Ache and even now I keep an Ugodog close by in case she needs to go. She doesn't use it now but while she was a puppy, it helped a lot.


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sounds like a good plan!

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thank you alll soooo much. I'll let you know how it goes and hopefully have more pictures (the one by my signature was taken by the breeder at 7 weeks-the dog at 7 weeks, not the breeder-) to share. We think he's adorable and can't wait till he's with us.

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In a couple weeks you should find he can hold it all night if you limit water after 8pm or so. With both our dogs, we crated at night and for the first couple weeks got up once or twice in the night to let them out. With our Hav Jasmine, she did not need to go out in the night from about 11-12 weeks.

I'm not sure what experts advise, but I personally think it is really, really important to accompany the puppy on all potty breaks when in the potty training phase. Praise is really important, as is making sure they go in the right place every time. Our 16 week old at this point doesn't have accidents in the house, which I've read is quite unusual at that age for a Havanese, and I think one of the reasons it's going so well (knock on wood!) is that we are always there when she potties, praising, and have not given her chances to make mistakes in the house (a few have happened early on but we interrupted them in the middle and took her straight outside). Crate training at night is an important part of the potty training process, I would think.
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I'm not sure what experts advise, but I personally think it is really, really important to accompany the puppy on all potty breaks when in the potty training phase. Praise is really important, as is making sure they go in the right place every time. Our 16 week old at this point doesn't have accidents in the house, which I've read is quite unusual at that age for a Havanese, and I think one of the reasons it's going so well (knock on wood!) is that we are always there when she potties, praising, and have not given her chances to make mistakes in the house (a few have happened early on but we interrupted them in the middle and took her straight outside). Crate training at night is an important part of the potty training process, I would think.
Totally agree with you Kalico. Timmy is 16 weeks old too and he's been accident free for at least a couple weeks (I'm knocking wood too). Timmy came home with us when he was 10 weeks. I woke him up the first couple nights to take him downstairs to his pee pad, my breeder said if he's not waking up let him sleep, so from that night on he's gone the whole night (10:00-6:00) in his crate without having to go. He loves his crate, I bring it downstairs during the day and he has put himself to sleep in the crate if I'm up late downstairs. I also go out with him when he pees or poos, he will use his pee pad to pee (not poo) which is right next to the door he uses to go out, but he prefers to go outside.

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Totally agree with you Kalico. Timmy is 16 weeks old too and he's been accident free for at least a couple weeks (I'm knocking wood too). Timmy came home with us when he was 10 weeks. I woke him up the first couple nights to take him downstairs to his pee pad, my breeder said if he's not waking up let him sleep, so from that night on he's gone the whole night (10:00-6:00) in his crate without having to go. He loves his crate, I bring it downstairs during the day and he has put himself to sleep in the crate if I'm up late downstairs. I also go out with him when he pees or poos, he will use his pee pad to pee (not poo) which is right next to the door he uses to go out, but he prefers to go outside.
Yay Timmy! We have a pee-pad for Jasmine in her playpen, but she has not used it in at least a couple weeks, not even when we have left her for up to 4 hours. So I don't know if she is being untrained for pee pads as we train her for outdoors, as we have never had her use them because we take her out every couple hours or so when she has free run of the house (just front room/kitchen, actually). I was hoping she would use pee pads but maybe she still would, if she absolutely had to. Like Timmy, she does not poop on the pads.
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I think all has been covered, good luck!

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