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Timmy weighs about 10 pounds and I have been using one of my cat's crates for him and I'm wondering if it's getting too small (12"Wx20"Dx11"H). He sleeps in it at night and sometimes during the day if I bring it downstairs. I also put him inside when I'm going out, but between the four of us here he's never in it more than an hour or two during the day. It's one of those hard plastic ones, he can turn around and kind of stretch out, but definitely can't stand up in it. He doesn't mind it and does go in himself at night most of the time. Should I wait, or should I get a bigger crate now? I know I'll probably need one eventually since he's only 5 months old and will grow more. I would probably get (24"L X 18"W X 19"H) If I decide to get a bigger crate should I get another plastic one or a wire one? I liked this one and it's on sale http://www.petco.com/product/111704/...atesandkennels Anyone have this one? If he likes having more privacy I know I can get a cover if I get the wire one, plus this one folds up which would be great for bringing back and forth from the beach.

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I have that one. It does travel nicely. It is a little cramped for Jack. Jack is bigger than I had planned for but he can still lie flat out.

I think the rule of thumb is 6" longer than body length and 6" higher than shoulder height.

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The size you propose looks about right to me. I couldn't see from the picture whether there's an opening-panel in the roof of the crate. I bought two similar crates, wire, for my (previous) Australian Terriers. They are wonderful crates! Camellia inherited both, but I only have one set up; I keep the other in case of visitors.

You're right that a wire crate is very versatile. You can buy covers for them, or you can use a sheet or a blanket to cover the crate.

A roof that opens can be REALLY useful, for instance, for putting food or water into the crate - and taking it out, too - if you don't want to let the dog out at the same time.

What i like to have in a crate is one big enough for the dog to stand up, turn around, as is always said, but also, to stretch out, and still have room, perhaps in a corner, for food and water bowls.

I've had those plastic airline crates for about three decades - well, finally, in my last house-move, I got rid of all of them, and just kept the two wire crates.

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It is a little cramped for Jack. Jack is bigger than I had planned for but he can still lie flat out.
How much does Jack weigh? I know I need to consider height and length too, but weight give me a better gauge at least initially.

Glad you have this one and like it, I think it looks nice and being on sale is a bonus too.

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A roof that opens can be REALLY useful, for instance, for putting food or water into the crate - and taking it out, too - if you don't want to let the dog out at the same time.
That's a great point about the top opening, hadn't thought of that. I obviously don't leave food or water in Timmy's current crate because it's so small, but he's on set feeding schedule so I just make sure he's not in there over meal time. As for water I don't leave any in there either, but he's only in there for a short amount of time. I'd like think in time I'll be able to leave him in the family room gated off with his food, water and pee pad, but I am too worried to do that now even though he's been accident free for quite a while.

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I have a wire, Midwest crate for at home use, and that is a BIG one. (much bigger than necessary, but we've never had a problem with him eliminating in his crate, so I like knowing he has the extra space) His is 30"L x 22"W x 24"H, with the two doors. (which I really like... makes it much more versatile) I really like Carol's idea of one that opens from the top, but I haven't seen one like that. I keep a table cloth draped over it for his privacy, and it is attached to an ex-pen, with a litter box and water bottle so he has lots of room and all the amenities when we are out of the house.

I also have two plastic crates, both from Petco.

I have this one:

http://www.petco.com/product/111729/...t=OnSiteSearch

though mine tan, not blue, and I thought I would really like it, because of all the ventilation holes. The problem is, with the rounded doorway, the door will not stay open on its own. The other problem is that the latches that keep the top attached to the bottom are not very strong. I would NEVER carry this crate with a dog in it... I'd be afraid it would fall apart. So this one is now his kennel in my office, with the door totally removed.

This is the one I use now for travel:

http://www.petco.com/product/11074/P...t=OnSiteSearch

The door stays open or closed easily, and the screw closures that attach the bottom to the top are very secure.

I find that the plastic and wire crates serve different purposes. I really like the wire crate for his "permanent" bed room set-up. But it is too large for our travel trailer, and to heavy and unwieldy to take to shows. (I don't want to take the time to break down and set up a wire crate every time we go somewhere, even if I'd chosen a smaller one) The plastic one is very light weight, and it fits easily in our bedroom in the travel trailer.

So, if you don't travel much, you might get away just fine with just a wire crate. If you do a lot of travel or want to show your dog, a second, plastic crate might be a welcome investment.

In either case, I actually took Kodi to Petco with me, and let him try the various sizes to see what he was comfortable in, size-wise. With a puppy, of course, you will need to leave some "room to grow". If he is 10 lbs at 5 months, I think he's going to be a larger sized Hav like Kodi!

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Timmy weighs about 10 pounds and I have been using one of my cat's crates for him and I'm wondering if it's getting too small (12"Wx20"Dx11"H). He sleeps in it at night and sometimes during the day if I bring it downstairs. I also put him inside when I'm going out, but between the four of us here he's never in it more than an hour or two during the day. It's one of those hard plastic ones, he can turn around and kind of stretch out, but definitely can't stand up in it. He doesn't mind it and does go in himself at night most of the time. Should I wait, or should I get a bigger crate now? I know I'll probably need one eventually since he's only 5 months old and will grow more. I would probably get (24"L X 18"W X 19"H) If I decide to get a bigger crate should I get another plastic one or a wire one? I liked this one and it's on sale http://www.petco.com/product/111704/...atesandkennels Anyone have this one? If he likes having more privacy I know I can get a cover if I get the wire one, plus this one folds up which would be great for bringing back and forth from the beach.


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So, if you don't travel much, you might get away just fine with just a wire crate. If you do a lot of travel or want to show your dog, a second, plastic crate might be a welcome investment.
We do have a beach house that we will be going to frequently over the summer. The wire crate I think I'm going to get folds up so that seems like a good option. I was just curious how Timmy would transition from plastic to wire, but if I keep the wire crate covered perhaps he wouldn't feel so open. He HATED his expen, but is fabulous in his crate so hopefully he won't have the same reaction to the wire crate as he did to his pen. I'd rather not have to buy two and keep one in both places but if it becomes a chore lugging it back and forth I might consider getting a second.

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In either case, I actually took Kodi to Petco with me, and let him try the various sizes to see what he was comfortable in, size-wise. With a puppy, of course, you will need to leave some "room to grow". If he is 10 lbs at 5 months, I think he's going to be a larger sized Hav like Kodi!
Unfortunately I think I need to order the crate online to get the sale price, or I would take him with me to try out. I didn't think they had crates on display at Petco, but then again I never took notice. It's always dangerous going to Petco or Petsmart because I always end up buying more then I came for. Although now the online orders get free shipping if you spend a certain amount so I'm not safe there either! Timmy's mom is 16 pounds and his dad is 9 pounds so it's anyone's guess. I just hope he fits in a carrier for the plane in December so he can go to Florida with us!

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We do have a beach house that we will be going to frequently over the summer. The wire crate I think I'm going to get folds up so that seems like a good option. I was just curious how Timmy would transition from plastic to wire, but if I keep the wire crate covered perhaps he wouldn't feel so open. He HATED his expen, but is fabulous in his crate so hopefully he won't have the same reaction to the wire crate as he did to his pen. I'd rather not have to buy two and keep one in both places but if it becomes a chore lugging it back and forth I might consider getting a second.


Unfortunately I think I need to order the crate online to get the sale price, or I would take him with me to try out. I didn't think they had crates on display at Petco, but then again I never took notice. It's always dangerous going to Petco or Petsmart because I always end up buying more then I came for. Although now the online orders get free shipping if you spend a certain amount so I'm not safe there either! Timmy's mom is 16 pounds and his dad is 9 pounds so it's anyone's guess. I just hope he fits in a carrier for the plane in December so he can go to Florida with us!
My wire crate is collapsible too. I just have always found it's more of a pain to take down and set up than I wanted to bother with... plus it's heavy.

You could always take him to Petco to try out sizes, then order it on line, knowing that you had chosen a good size.

Well, you know he's not going to be 9 lbs like his dad! A 10 lb 5 month old is a good hefty puppy. My guess is that he may end up closer to his mom's size or a bit smaller. I wouldn't buy too small, or you might be doing it all over again in a few months!


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If you plan to travel with Timmy by air, you want to use a soft-sided carrier that will fit under the seat, like a Sherpa bag. I don't think our Havanese dogs use a small enough size plastic travel carrier that fits under an airplane seat. The soft-carriers are allowed to be larger size.

If Timmy didn't like the ex pen, maybe it was difficult to see you while he was confined. With the plastic crate, he doesn't feel like he's isolated?

I use the same crates that Karen uses. Except I only just this weekend put together the cheaper Petco plastic travel carrier, and I realized the same thing as Karen with the door and the plastic hinges/attachments that I won't be able to carry Sergio any where with it. I will probably use it without the door at home if I can't return it.
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I have a fairly small air line plastic crate that the sisters share. I keep it in the back of my wagon it works good for our short rides here and their.
If I was to know what I know now for my two I would buy a kennel and put it indoors because they are escape artists. Their is a crate that I have always liked its a wood one thats also a end table. I guess they might chew on it.

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