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Breeder says I can take home puppy at 7 weeks?

Roscoe was born march 5 and she says I could come get him this weekend if I wanted to, but then he'll only be 7 weeks old? Isn't the age for a puppy to be separated from his mom 8 weeks? The breeder says that if I'm not comfortable taking him home this weekend then he can stay another week. What do you guys think?
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I would absolutely let him stay another week. Someone who knows more than I will add better comments, but I think it's a pretty well known fact that puppies should not leave their moms at 7 weeks.

Make sure you get back here with pictures as soon as you get him!! And, good luck with your baby.
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up to you. No harm in seven if the breeder thinks so. You'll get various opinions on this. I lean toward eight weeks, but many dogs have left at seven weeks with no problems. Scott and Fuller thought so. .....

Scott and Fuller, from the book Genetics and the Social Behavior of the Dog.
In the period of socialization ,there are two basic rules for producing a well balanced and well adjusted dog. The first of these is that the ideal time to produce a close social relationship between a puppy and his master, occur between six and eight weeks of age. This is the optimal time to remove a puppy from the litter and make it into a house pet. If this is done earlier, especially at four weeks or before, the puppy has little opportunity to form normal social relationships with other dogs. It will form close relationships with people but may have difficulty adjusting to it's own kind even in mating or caring for puppies. On the other hand, if primary socialization with people is put off to a much later period. (the outside limit being about 12 weeks, ) the social relationship of the puppy with other dogs may be very good , but he will tend to be timid and lack confidence with people."

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I would definitely vote for waiting. This is a critical time for puppy with mom and siblings. I think your instincts are right.

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I agree, listen to your instincts and wait.

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agree, critical time for pup and mother and siblings.
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Since the "49-day rule" was made (by Wolters?} decades ago, that idea has been shown to have very limited application; it might apply if a breeder won't continue important socializing work (not to mention extra expenses incurred in continuing care of a litter, and the work of supporting litter AND dam (usually, together at least part of a day-and-night).

I believe laws in the U.S. prohibit SHIPPING pups any younger than 8 weeks. Responsible breeders now tend to keep pups till they are 9-10 weeks old at least.

(And quite a few breeders won't ship by plane, as it can be terrifying for puppies.)

In the last decade or two, more research (and better communication between trainers and behaviorists - and breeders) has shown that 7 weeks typically is a time when pups can be a bit withdrawn and fearful. It's not defined, as far as I know, as one of the fear periods, but in effect, it acts like one. Somebody has suggested that the reason for choosing 49 days was to have the pup "bond better with the new human."

But also, it has been more than amply demonstrated that dogs who are well-bred, raised and cared for, already know that love is infinite, and if they haven't had true bad experiences, they can bond with any good human dog-parent at any age. And, if need be, re-bond with another, say, if human-parents die.

Some breeders; a couple of my acquaintance, keep pups to 12, 14 weeks, and do all that extra work, and the results tend to be bomb-proof dogs. And one breeder I know can keep pups much longer, including up to many, many months, and they ALSO bond fabulously with the new owners. That breeder does all the work, of course, of socializing, teaching, and so forth. (And any necessary vaccinations and vet checks.)

It turns out that if the breeder is savvy with dogs and dog-behavior, and does the work, THAT, along with keeping the pups a good bit longer,is what produces bomb-proof dogs, all other things being equal (health, and so forth; - and also having bred for temperament). Of course, these breeders do not make profits on their pups. On the contrary, they support their hobby.

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Forgot to say - in those extra weeks with littermates and dam, supported by breeder, dogs learn how to be dogs - more, more and more. That is what makes them bomb-proof.

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Thank you Carol for posting! One of THE best posts I have ever read on the forum, so glad that you are here!

HCA code of ethics states no puppy younger than 8 weeks will be released and it is against the law in many states to rehome a puppy when it is not a minimum of 8 weeks old. I would also suggest you wait.
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I am one of the 'few' that got my pup MUCH later than the norm. at 14 weeks (due to various reasons) and let me tell you, I have LOVED it. Not only was she sleeping through the night and nearly potty trained, she has NEVER had a biting 'issue' and virtually nothing phases her. well, except for big dogs, which we are working HARD on!!
If I was to get another hav I would want to wait till between 10-12 weeks for SURE to bring a pup home. This all is ASSUMING that you have a great, ethical, health testing breeder though. IF your breeder isn't doing all that needs to be done, then I agree, taking your pup home earlier might be a good idea.

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