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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 04-26-2012, 07:33 AM Thread Starter
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Housebreaking is going very slowly around here. Jinx will go outside, then come in and sometimes pee again within 15 minutes of having already gone!

I am trying to stick with the crate training as much as possible, but I don't like to keep him in the crate all day. The plan is to take him out to do his business, let him come in and play for 25-30 minutes, then put him back in the crate to nap and then repeat the cycle over.

This morning, he woke up a little early (we try to keep him in the crate until 6:30). He really needed to go out though, so he went pee at 6:00. Chuck put him back in the crate when he came in. I had him back out again when I got up around 20 minutes later and he peed all over the kitchen floor. I would have thought that I'd be safe since it was only 20 minutes.

He was doing much better a few weeks ago. I am trying to remember how this whole process went with Gryff. I know it wasn't easy, but he's good to go now. Is this setback normal at around 4 months? He just seems to pee so often.

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This is SO frustrating I know. If you really think he's peeing too much, give the vet's office a call. You might keep a log for 24 hours and give them the time periods between pees. Does he ever pee in his crate?

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yeah Ivy, try making his rewards greater for going outdoors. He probably needs more reinforcement for doing it outside. When he goes outside reward him with a walk . Don't walk with the purpose of getting him to eliminate. Use the walk or playtime, as a reward for going outside. But it sounds like there is no incentive for him to go outside possibly. Throw in a t-bone outside when he goes there. LOL

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I know it is frustrating but just be patient. I usually take the water bowl at 9pm the most probably it stays until 10pm. I will let my dog go potty outside, if he DOES his business a lot of praise and I play with him for about 20 to 30 mins and he goes back to the crate. If he DOES NOT, he need to go back immediately to the crate without play and just repeat the process. Liam has been accident free since he was 6 months old. Good luck! he will get it just be consistent.

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My pup is 18 weeks old and I'm having the exact same troubles. The crate helps, but I agree, I don't want to keep her in there all day. She seems to be able to hold it while in the crate, and she will go outside if i take her out, but she has no problem letting it go anywhere else in the house! My other dog (not a hav) was completely housebroken at this age. Is this a Havanese thing? I've been treating her and lots of praise when she goes outside, and if i catch her in the act in the house then she gets a good scolding. Any other advice? I'm embarrassed to take her visiting to friends houses in case she makes a mess.
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I realized that yesterday that I do need to praise him more than just a "good boy" when he goes outside. I will start carrying treats outside. He did very well this morning. I took him out of the crate and he did both outside. In fact, it was the first really solid poop he's had. He had breakfast, played with Gryff for about 15 minutes, then I took him back out and he did both again. Now he's playing with Gryff again and I will put him in his crate in about 15-20 minutes.

He never goes while he's in the crate, so that's good. He's starting to get too big for it though. Gryff has a really nice wooden crate that sometimes they both lay in. Perhaps I'll transition Jinx into that one.

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I think it is very good news that Jinx does not eliminate in his crate. That says that he is wanting a clean place. Dave's suggestions are great. Yes, I'd make a party out of it everytime he does it right.

Putting Jiinx in the wooden crate with Gryff for short periods of time might be a good thing too. You could try it.

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I realized that yesterday that I do need to praise him more than just a "good boy" when he goes outside. I will start carrying treats outside. He did very well this morning. I took him out of the crate and he did both outside. In fact, it was the first really solid poop he's had. He had breakfast, played with Gryff for about 15 minutes, then I took him back out and he did both again. Now he's playing with Gryff again and I will put him in his crate in about 15-20 minutes.

He never goes while he's in the crate, so that's good. He's starting to get too big for it though. Gryff has a really nice wooden crate that sometimes they both lay in. Perhaps I'll transition Jinx into that one.
When I was training Henry I was told you literally have to jump around and and get excited about the potty outside, practically throw a party!
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Ivy, Yes praise him (A LOT) when he goes outside and do show him you are upset when he does it inside and gets put back in the crate/xpen or designated area. The solution here is "consistency & patience" he will get it. When Toby was that age, I took him out every hour, sometimes less. Anytime you see him getting up from where he is and he starts looking around, get him outside (even if is less than 1 hr). Eventually, his bladder will get bigger and he will be able to hold it for longer periods of time.

I had my set backs with both of mine as well, As a matter of fact, just last night I pulled the Expen out again. Toby had already graduated to sleeping on a doggy bed (outside of his crate) and I took his expen away as well. When we are home, he has the run of the house and when we are out or sleeping, he is in the game/play room with a gate to the kitchen. He spent about 2.5 weeks doing great like that, and for the past 2 days started lifting his leg and peeing in the playroom (EVEN when his litter box was NEXT to him ). Now he is back in his expen again with no expiration date. Since he just started showing signs of Sexual interest (mounting Bumi any chance he gets), I assume he will start the marking, so perhaps I'll keep the expen until he is neutered in Oct. Is up to him to earn more freedom.

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My pup is 18 weeks old and I'm having the exact same troubles. The crate helps, but I agree, I don't want to keep her in there all day. She seems to be able to hold it while in the crate, and she will go outside if i take her out, but she has no problem letting it go anywhere else in the house!
Same situation here, except Maccabee is mostly in an expen, not a crate (at night only). He is accident-free in the ex-pen, except for his occasional "misfire" when he doesn't step all the way into his litter box.

At out breeder's recommendation, we are now working on pottying outside most of the time (which he seems to prefer), while still using the litter box in the expen. I think I also need to offer more encouragement and rewards when he goes outside. "Good Job" is obviously not enough to really encourage him.

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