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The Neutering Thing Again

Lucky's vet said it would be all right to neuter him between four and six months. II read somewhere that 5 months was ideal because anything before and the pup would gain weight. So I thought okay, let's wait until 5 months. But then I read the earlier the better, because the mounting and marking can become ingrained and if so, even after the surgery they will continue. So I thought okay, the sooner the better (Lucky's been at this since-mointing not marking- we first visited him at 5 weeks and it's really become an issue). Are there reasons to wait until 5 months or later? Has anyone had it done for their male dog at 4 months and was it okay? Any advice/experience will be so greatly appreciated.

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Lucky's vet said it would be all right to neuter him between four and six months. II read somewhere that 5 months was ideal because anything before and the pup would gain weight. So I thought okay, let's wait until 5 months. But then I read the earlier the better, because the mounting and marking can become ingrained and if so, even after the surgery they will continue. So I thought okay, the sooner the better (Lucky's been at this since-mointing not marking- we first visited him at 5 weeks and it's really become an issue). Are there reasons to wait until 5 months or later? Has anyone had it done for their male dog at 4 months and was it okay? Any advice/experience will be so greatly appreciated.
The only time I've ever seen puppies neutered before 6 months has been shelter puppies, where the shelter rules won't allow them to leave without being neutered first.

I hate to tell you this, but mounting has more to do with excitement han anything else. Many dogs (male and female) do it all their lives, but puppies often do it because they are more excitable in general. All adult dogs MAY mark, males and females, neutered and entire. In Europe, it is not common to neuter male dogs at all, and they do NOT have a problem with the dogs marking in the house, because they teach them not to! you can teach a dog not to mount or hump also, it just takes a while.

Evidence is mounting that waiting until a dog is mature before spay or neuter (about a year old) is better for them physically than doing it earlier. Kodi was neutered at 7 months, but if I had it to do over, I would have waited longer. And if and when I get another dog, I will definitely wait longer. I would never do it before the pup was at least 6 months.


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The only time I've ever seen puppies neutered before 6 months has been shelter puppies, where the shelter rules won't allow them to leave without being neutered first.

I hate to tell you this, but mounting has more to do with excitement han anything else. Many dogs (male and female) do it all their lives, but puppies often do it because they are more excitable in general. All adult dogs MAY mark, males and females, neutered and entire. In Europe, it is not common to neuter male dogs at all, and they do NOT have a problem with the dogs marking in the house, because they teach them not to! you can teach a dog not to mount or hump also, it just takes a while.

Evidence is mounting that waiting until a dog is mature before spay or neuter (about a year old) is better for them physically than doing it earlier. Kodi was neutered at 7 months, but if I had it to do over, I would have waited longer. And if and when I get another dog, I will definitely wait longer. I would never do it before the pup was at least 6 months.
Right on the button, Karen. My vet refuses to neuter a male before the age of 7 months, to allow the urethra to attain full size, but there are other aspects as well. I had my last Australian Terrier neutered at about 8.5 months, and another time, would wait somewhat longer.

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I totally agree about waiting until they're a bit older. My Toby was neutered at 8 1/2 months, never ever "marked" and only "humps" now when he's really playing hard. It's more of a dominance thing than anything else. Years ago when I had girl dogs, they used to do this to each other all the time.
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a year old) is better for them physically than doing it earlier. Kodi was neutered at 7 months, but if I had it to do over, I would have waited longer. And if and when I get another dog, I will definitely wait longer.

Hi and thanks. You say you wish you had waited longer Karen than 7 months for Kodi. What were the ill effects you wish you'd avoided?

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Roki is almost two and half and has both of his little balls. He stopped mounting (his sofa bed) when he was ten months old and never repeated it on other things or animals. We had some pee-pee issues but those were not marking issues. He did his marking in the house when he was puppy and now he is doing that outside. I have read very interesting article about spaying and neutering on Dogtor J webpage (he is sooo interesting for other dog health issues as well). He is not advocate of doing that at all, but if you have to do it, the advice is to wait as long as possible. It would be ideal do do it after growing process is over. he says that when removing testicles/ovaries you are depriving animal of sexual hormones that play very important role in the body. He described spaying as throwing adolescent girl that still has no periods into menopause and similar is with boys - they usually develop less bone and less muscle mass if they are neutered before growth period is over.
Sometimes it is hard to cope with intact male (when more than two of his favourite ladies are in season), but Roki is sooo sweet latino lover boy that I would be really sorry not to see all that showing how he is handsome and good boy in front of a girl of his choice. OMG how beautiful is he when he is trying to get girl's attention and love!
I guess you have such contracts with breeders that you have no choice but to do the procedure. Here is other way round - breeders are encouraging people who buy their pups to show them because that is how, among other things, they build their reputation. People send photos and titles won on dogshows to the breeder and he/she puts them on his webpage. The larger number of champions from his breeding program, the better is reputation.
Only thing you can try is to do it after the first birthday!

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I can only answer for myself, but decided to get Timmy neutered at six months. My contract with the breeder stated to do this at that time and most people I know with male dogs had them neutered at six months as well. Timmy is in Puppy Basic Obedience and ironically or coincidentally half the class was out last week getting this done. I can say this though, Timmy was humping just about anything before his neuter and it seemed I was forever telling him "no" but now after a week of having it done humping has stopped completely. I've never had a dog before perhaps this stop in action is because he's is still not 100% since he had a very hard time recovering the first few days, but he certainly is acting like he's fine at this point. We never had a problem with marking but he's been lifting his leg to pee for quite a while so maybe that was only a matter of time. Most importantly you have to do what you feel most comfortable with, digest all the great info here and other places, there will be people on both sides of the fence with this decision.

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a year old) is better for them physically than doing it earlier. Kodi was neutered at 7 months, but if I had it to do over, I would have waited longer. And if and when I get another dog, I will definitely wait longer.

Hi and thanks. You say you wish you had waited longer Karen than 7 months for Kodi. What were the ill effects you wish you'd avoided?
He hasn't had any ill effects, but I suspect he would have stayed a little smaller if he hadn't been neutered before maturity. The biggest thing is that because I do dog sports, it is important to me to do everything I can to have the soundest dog possible. I now know that neutering later is better for joints, bones and physical development.

Kodi is FINE now, and may always be. But neutering later would have stacked the deck even more heavily in that direction.


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Sometimes it is hard to cope with intact male (when more than two of his favourite ladies are in season), but Roki is sooo sweet latino lover boy that I would be really sorry not to see all that showing how he is handsome and good boy in front of a girl of his choice. OMG how beautiful is he when he is trying to get girl's attention and love!
I guess you have such contracts with breeders that you have no choice but to do the procedure. Here is other way round - breeders are encouraging people who buy their pups to show them because that is how, among other things, they build their reputation. People send photos and titles won on dogshows to the breeder and he/she puts them on his webpage. The larger number of champions from his breeding program, the better is reputation.
Only thing you can try is to do it after the first birthday!
While I agree that it is best to wait until the dog is mature, if you can, I also don't really think it is fair to keep an animal unneutered if they are not going to have the opportunity to breed. That's a lot of sexual frustration for them to handle just so we can see them show off for the girls. I know it is common in Europe not to neuter males, but it wouldn't be my choice unless I were planning to show in conformation and, later, breed.


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Thanks so much all. My head is swimming with contrasting information (recent studies that early is if not as good, better; suggestion that smaller dogs mature more quickly and can be "fixed" earlier. The increase in size thing is not a worry (thank goodness because he is enormous at 4 months, i.e.13 pounds) since we're not showing or competing, and the urethra thing surely bears a question to the vet. Think I'll take all this info (and I thank you for it) to the vet and talk it through. The humping thing (especially with his beloved Lambchops stuffed animal-he's on his fourth) is getting more frequent, but he's a delight in every way and we're ready for waiting for whatever is best. Six months surely seems to have a ring. thank you thank ou

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