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Can we have it both ways?

This training thing is going slow (I know, I know par for the course for Havs) and Lucky at 5 months loves to do it outside and be praised and get a treat and is almost entirely reliable inside with piddle on the pad and poops right near by or also on the pad BUT as long as I have a pad or two down, how do I convince him that outside is preferred, inside pad just an option? We'll walk for an hour and he'll pull me into the house to get to a piddle pad to relieve himself. He's like "Phew" and I'm like "What am I doing wrong?" If I were committed to entirely outside I think I'd pick up the pads and tell him it's now all outside; but wanting to keep the inside option (for times we're in the city or when the weather is rough) I'm kind of giving a double message: inside on the pad is fine; outside is also good. Or maybe that's fine. How have those of you who maintain both options pulled it off? Thanks

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I wonder if it's even possible to have both options.
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It is ABSOLUTELY possible to have both options. Kodi uses his litter box and goes outdoors. He MUCH prefers going outdoors, but that happened over time, at his own pace... We didn't force it.

We were committed to maintaining both options, so why would we try to reinforce one over the other? The fact is, that as he matured, we had to REALLY praise his litter box use, because he SO much preferred going outside.

I have to say, though, that going "near" the pee pad (or litter box) would not have been acceptable to me. Kodi missed occasionally as a puppy, and THAT we worked hard to correct. Of course, it meant watching him carefully, so that we could reposition him if needed, and it also meant making sure his litter box was bix enough that he could do his complete "potty dance" circle inside the box. But he learned. Oh, I should also mention that he has NEVER been willing to step on a previous wet spot in the litter during the "potty dance", which means that we have to keep the box VERY clean if we want him to poop there.

I think there are very few of us who give our Havanese both options that don't, eventually, find that they PREFER to use the outside, and we have to work to maintain the indoor option. ...but it's worth it! We just got back from a week of camping in the rain, and every time Kodi went outside to potty, it meant major clean-up. When it was REALLY bad, we just told him to use his box, especially in the early mornings, when he would want to get into bed and snuggle right after!!!


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I think you're spot on Karen. When the pee pad is absolutely clean, Lucky seems to have better aim. I can work on that easily. I'm encouraged to think it will all come together. Little triumphs (like reducing the number of pads in a room-now we have really just one location upstairs and two downstairs (on either end of a long stretch of hall) get lost in the process. I can also try making the area larger, i.e. two pads where now we have one so there's more room for the dance. Thanks

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I tried pee pads and mine shredded them even with the holder so mine only go outside..didn't know about or even think about a litter box but I have wished a zillion times in really bad weather....rain..snow and when we travel that I would have found an indoor option...it would just make life easier.....and I have one who will hold it for hours becasue she hates to get wet.......so don't give up! Good luck!
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For someone wanting to use both methods and having pads as a back-up for special occasions. I might recommend getting rid of pads for all but a select few times where they might be needed. You want to keep them practiced at using the pads but not reliant on them. You could put them out only on occasions where you are not available or are leaving for any length of time. You could put them out late at night for your dog to use early in the morning if they are an early riser. And then you have to get in the practice of giving them the opportunity to go out any time they need. It can work both ways but takes a little training.

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I tried SO hard to have Tillie use pee pads, even got the ugo dog .. nothing. She would NOT go inside.ever. I would LOVE for her to have an indoor option... but she is an outdoors girl aparently. Sure would be helpful for traveling though...

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You can do it both ways, remember to praise in both places. I have 2 that will not go out in bad weather. I keep pads down (washable in most areas) and disposable in our bedroom. I change them every day, often more than once if the weather is bad. When we don't have rain or snow, I can go a number of days that the pads don't need changing.

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I am not a believer in dogs going inside - I don't care how small they are, dogs should pee and poop outside!

I trained Benny outside from the minute we got him. Now at 4 months, he goes to the back door and barks to go out and rarely ever has accidents. He holds it 8 hours through the night and can easily go 4-5 hours in his crate if need be.

Also, I never gave him treats for peeing and pooping, I would just tell him, "Good boy!". So many treats make it very difficult to predict when they need to poop again.

I am home with Benny all day, but with 3 young kids, I can not pay attention to him all the time, so he has learned to make it known when he has to go out - if we had pads in the house, he probably wouldn't bother telling us, he'd just go on the pad. Gross!

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I think you're spot on Karen. When the pee pad is absolutely clean, Lucky seems to have better aim. I can work on that easily. I'm encouraged to think it will all come together. Little triumphs (like reducing the number of pads in a room-now we have really just one location upstairs and two downstairs (on either end of a long stretch of hall) get lost in the process. I can also try making the area larger, i.e. two pads where now we have one so there's more room for the dance. Thanks
I'm just going to chime in and say mine have both options and don't seem to care either way. I think Maddie is more house trained than Zoey but I really never see either going on the pad it happens when I'm gone or in the middle of the night. Both will wake me up in the early morning to go out. What I would recommend to you is to change from the piddle pad to a different system. I have found that the pads leek and that they get confused with say my white towels and some other soft surfaces. The ugado?( A plastic surface) or the litter box. Would be much better for house training.

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