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First night problems - need advice

Rough night last night for Comet's first night... Went to bed at 11 and he cried as expected. He eventually calmed down and went to sleep (yay!) - tried to have him pee at 2am with no luck. He fell asleep again and at 3:30 he woke up crying so I got him out and he had peed his bed in his crate. Thought we were not supposed to wake a sleeping puppy, but man do I wish I had now .

We gave him a quick bath of his underbelly and sides (do we know how to have fun at 3:30am or what?). I then brought him downstairs and placed him in his xpen where he fell asleep in his xpen bed from 4:30am-7am with no issues (I slept on my recliner in the same room as the xpen just to make sure we were not going to have any more problems even though the ugodog is in the xpen as well).

Obviously we feel awful and like complete failures to have this happen on the very first night. Everything we have read says NEVER let our puppy pee in his crate and we are kinda freaked out now over what longterm damage we have done here??

So far today he has peed and pooped on both the ugodog AND outside (at least that is a positive).

We bought a new bed insert this morning for his crate and are not going to use the peed one again to make sure there is no urine smell.

Going forward, I think we are going to take him out every 3 hours after he goes to bed, regardless if he is asleep or not, in hopes to not have a repeat performance. If he doesn't pee, I think we will then just try every 15 minutes until he goes. Does that sound like a good idea? Open to ideas at this point. Sure hope we didn't cause something that can't be corrected now .
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I'd let him sleep. Make sure he has pottied before he goes to bed. Put his crate on a chair or something right beside your side of the bed.
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I'd let him sleep. Make sure he has pottied before he goes to bed. Put his crate on a chair or something right beside your side of the bed.
Yeah his crate is on our night table next to the bed. He peed at 11 before we put him in. Just worried if we let him sleep again we have a repeat incident like last night.
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I know this is controversial but my vet advised me and I did it to restrict water after 8 or 9 at night which I did..she suggested putting an ice cube or two in the bowl so if they were thirsty they could lick the cube but weren't drinking a lot.....when mine were younger I fed at 6am and 6pm and they only had 30 minutes to eat. It was picked up after that. I never had one pee in their crate but they did whine and I was up and got them out the door.

The good news is that they do learn really quickly and unless there is a medical condition will be able to hold it all night which for me usually happened around 6-7 months of age.

I would be afraid if I woke him up constantly during the night he would start being conditioned to wake up to go at those times......mine are pretty much like clockwork.....5:30.....11:30 and again at 5:30 or 6...and of course lol sometimes they just want out to play!

Good luck and don't be so hard on yourself....it's an adjustment and learning experience for all involved!
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Yeah his crate is on our night table next to the bed. He peed at 11 before we put him in. Just worried if we let him sleep again we have a repeat incident like last night.
Tom know more about raising puppies than anyone I know. I'd go with his recommendation about letting him sleep.

It could be that he was so exhausted by all the excitement of moving to his new home that he fell so hard asleep that he peed without waking up. Mistakes happen. The important thing is that you completely clean up his bed so that he remains used to sleeping in clean surroundings. If he doesn't get enough sleep because you are getting him up every 15 minutes because he hasn't peed, I think you could end up with different problems, with a cranky, over-tired puppy.

I know how you feel, because I took it as a personal failure on my part when Kodi had an accident. Often it WAS my fault because I had mis-read the signs, or mis-judged his readiness to handle more space. The fact of the matter is that as long as you keep at it, set him up for success as much as possible and MINIMIZE mistakes as much as possible, he WILL eventually get potty trained.

I don't think I'd be using nice, commercially made, padded crate pads at this point, just because accidents happen, and you don't want any lingering odor. Put your nice pads away until he's a bit older, and more reliable, and give him some soft, old towels that are easily laundered for now. I found that old (VERY old!!!!) flannel receiving blankets from my kids as babies made wonderful puppy bedding.

In training, we say, once is a mistake, twice is a warning and three times is a habit. So don't make TOO big a deal out of this one mistake. If it happens again, try your best to change something to prevent it happening again. If it happens a THIRD time, you really have to look at the situation carefully and see what can be done to remedy the problem.


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Thanks so much for the replies. Definitely makes me feel a little better. We will let him sleep and see how it goes . Good idea on the bedding - those suckers are not cheap!
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Personally I wouldn't wake a sleepy puppy.What I did find was when I got up in the night to go to the bathroom,Nellie would wake and I would pick her up and take her outside usually she would do a wee straight away and then I would pick her up and straight back to bed,I didn't let her run around or have any fun,so she didn't think it was fun and games time.When she came home it was summer time and warm.

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Lot's of different views on this. I like the idea of waking them up in the middle of the night a couple of times and taking them out. Your dog obviously didn't let you know he needed relief, so I would give him an out at least a couple of times a night. When a dog is crated he has no options, and if he simply eliminates with no vocal warning ,it can become problematic. I like Ian's take on this. http://dogtime.com/housetraining-thr...t-dunbar.html# I had great success with the every hour principle and three times a night initially ,principle. I'tsn not easy for a couple of months but it worked for me. The only other safe method is the xpen with an available potty. . Don't overestimate holding capacity. myth no. 1 http://dogtrainer.quickanddirtytips....our-puppy.aspx

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Dave,
I was just thinking about the xpen for sleeping in with his ugodog. At least that is a last resort option.
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I was just thinking about the xpen for sleeping in with his ugodog. At least that is a last resort option.
That's fine. The crate beside the bed for the first week just makes it easier on the separation anixiety. See how it goes. But rule no. one, give them an out, ie. a chance to do it in an approprite place.

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