Master Potty Plan! - Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums
Puppy Area * Do not advertise dogs for sale here*

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-20-2012, 03:12 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Fashiongal21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Long Island & Howard Beach,Queens NY
Posts: 158
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Nominations 1 Time in 1 Post
Master Potty Plan!

Hola!

Me and my DH are trying to figure out our master potty training plan and are feeling super overwhelmed!... These are our thoughts: for those that have done the same or similar or think we are not on the right track feel free to chime in!.. We work opposite hours, And there will be days when DH is off all day ( so thankful for that) In between the time he leaves and I come home is about 5 hours. We would like to have a plan where we don’t HAVE to rely on someone to come in and take him out, if there was some incident where no1 could come, we want to have all bases covered. (We will be having someone come in during that 5 hour span though just as an FYI)

Our goal is have our puppy go OUTSIDE only.
A – Is it possible to only take your puppy outside and leave no pee pad down as a puppy? 8-12 weeks
If not, our thought was X-PEN, open door crate and pee pad on other end of x-pen.
We just don’t want to confuse our little boy and if dogs can learn to do both then we are on board for whatever is most comfortable for him, but just not sure?..

B- Do we crate train for that duration of 5 hours?
C- What about at night? They say don’t wake a sleeping puppy, but will he let us know to take him out so he can go? Will he get in the habit then of thinking 3am is potty time forever?

Soo many thoughts! I Feel like I have over-read! If thats even possible?!
Fashiongal21 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Senior Member
 
Tom King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lake Gaston, N.C.
Posts: 3,072
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 21 Times in 21 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fashiongal21 View Post
Hola!

Me and my DH are trying to figure out our master potty training plan and are feeling super overwhelmed!... These are our thoughts: for those that have done the same or similar or think we are not on the right track feel free to chime in!.. We work opposite hours, And there will be days when DH is off all day ( so thankful for that) In between the time he leaves and I come home is about 5 hours. We would like to have a plan where we donít HAVE to rely on someone to come in and take him out, if there was some incident where no1 could come, we want to have all bases covered. (We will be having someone come in during that 5 hour span though just as an FYI)

Our goal is have our puppy go OUTSIDE only. People who expect to be able to train for outside only are the ones who end up with the most accidents in the house, unless you can devote FULL time to the job. Full time includes stuff like not answering the phone or cooking.
A Ė Is it possible to only take your puppy outside and leave no pee pad down as a puppy? 8-12 weeks Possible yes. I know of one of our puppy owners who was successful. Probale, no.
If not, our thought was X-PEN, open door crate and pee pad on other end of x-pen. That's the way ours are raised, but we use a bed instead of an open crate.
We just donít want to confuse our little boy and if dogs can learn to do both then we are on board for whatever is most comfortable for him, but just not sure?.. As long as the trainer (you) is completely consistant, they have no confusion in pottying on multiple surfaces. You have to train them to use the ones you want them to use.

B- Do we crate train for that duration of 5 hours? Some do. We never do. We use the expen
C- What about at night? They say donít wake a sleeping puppy, but will he let us know to take him out so he can go? Will he get in the habit then of thinking 3am is potty time forever? If you let him sleep in a crate next to your bed, he will let you know if he needs to get up.

Soo many thoughts! I Feel like I have over-read! If thats even possible?!
......
Tom King is offline  
post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-20-2012, 04:22 PM
Senior Member
 
TilliesMom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 5,278
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 36 Times in 36 Posts
you live in New York, right?? I would think you MOST def. would want to train your pup to an indoor option... we live in Northern California and I WISH Tillie had been trained to an indoor option...

Tammy and Tillie
TilliesMom is offline  
 
post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-20-2012, 04:42 PM
Rocky, Oreo's daddy
 
narci's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 456
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 3 Times in 3 Posts
This is what happened to us to give you some insight as every dog will be different.

We pulled out our hairs on worrying about potty accidents and training. Leaving Oreo in a x-pen and a pad was not ideal. He would pee and poop on the pad but step in it and leave poopie and pee pee paw marks all over the place. I use to joke with my wife saying..is it going to be world war 3 when we get home?

I would do what some of us have (including myself). Get an Ugodog (large one, small one gets small..fast). His pee will fall into the grate and onto the pad so he won't have to step in his own pee. Oreo pooped on the Ugodog as well making it wasy to clean. Just put some pee on the pad and insert it into the Ugodog. When doggie looks like he's going to poop or pee, move him onto the Ugodog and praise and reward. You need to keep an eye on him/her though. If you see him/her goto the Ugodog themselves, praise and reward immediately after they finish. Oreo learned to use the Ugodog that way.

Oreo was also one smart cookie. He would jump on the crate and then jump out of the ex-pen so we have to abandon the ex-pen and let him roam the kitchen with the ex-pen blocking the doorways. Not long after that he learned to jump over the ex-pen.

Remember the rule of thumb when a puppy. 1 month (age) = 1 hour of holding pee. I was told by my breeder not to give Oreo water after 8pm when he was a puppy.

Generally dogs won't pee or poop in thier crate (den). We took Oreo out to pee just before we goto bed and he sleeps in his crate. I think he's only peed once in his crate. Other then sleeping, and travelling, Oreo is never locked in his crate.

Now at little over 1 year, Oreo only goes outside. We feed him on a schedule so we know when he needs to poop. He eats at 7:45am and 5:30pm. His poop times are 9:30am and 7:30pm. He pees 3 times a day.

I think what you need to do is establish a schedule in feeding and pooping.

narci is offline  
post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-20-2012, 05:18 PM
Senior Member
 
Gabs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 190
Submit Photo: 10
Photo Submissions 6 Times in 6 Posts
i trained to be outside only, no pee pads (I tried but she shredded them)

As a young pup when I wasnt home she was only allowed in the kitchen and someone was usually with her (minus an hour long trip to the grocery store etc). As they get older they can hold it longer. Even when I was home I limited the amount of time she played in the living room (like right after going outside). There will be accidents, but if you keep up and take them out regularly (before they have an accident) it wont be bad.. I can count on one hand the number of times she's had an accident. When i introduced the Poochie Bells (at about 6-7 months) it was fantastic (wish I had done it a bit earlier) -- they worked great for her, as a way to tell me when she had to go.

I never woke her from her sleep (she has always and will always sleep in a crate - she loves it, it's like her den). We had 2 nights when we first got her that she cried (really loud) to go out at 3am. Then she could make it until about 6 or 6:30am and then as she aged that time got longer (now at just over a year she sleeps longer than me! and still doesnt need to go out right away)

"Dogs are miracles with paws." ~ Susan Ariel
Gabs is offline  
post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-20-2012, 08:14 PM
Member
 
apololaceymom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 87
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Nominations 1 Time in 1 Post
I am currently training my 3rd Hav. I think how you do it is very individual, just as long as you are consistent. I am not a fan of my dogs going to the bathroom in the house, so I prefer outside. We start with an ex pen and a ugodog, and very quickly transition to a crate and outside. I also do not give my puppy free reign of the house, we use gates to keep him where we can watch him. If he is not being watched, he is in his crate. All my puppies were trained to sleep in a crate at night when I got them, thanks to some wonderful breeders. Blaze (my 5 month old puppy) has been the biggest challenge for house breaking, but he is starting to get it. He NEVER soils his crate, and has been sleeping through the night since I got him. He sleeps next to my bed. House training can be VERY frustrating, but you just have to keep at it, and be consistent. They will get it eventually!!! Be sure if you have other family members caring for the puppy that they are ALL doing the same thing. Small dogs pee frequently, so plan to take them out a lot, and lots of praise. I don't use treats for potty, then they expect a treat all the time, and can develop a weight problem.
There have been times, (bad weather, hotels, etc) that I wish I used an indoor potty, but those times would be so infrequent that they would forget what to do with it.... Good luck!!

I believe the rule of thumb for hours in a crate is 1 hour for every month of age plus one hour... 3 months, 4 hours tops!!! That does not hold true for night time! I make crate time lots of fun and happy for them, they love it!! Blaze can't wait to get in and get his small treat and a kiss. He can't wait to go to bed at night!!! Jumps in and lays down!!

Kathy Coder....Owned by
Moonrise Desert Apolo RN OA OAJ
Mariposa Chantilly Lace RN
Belamour Blaze Of Glory


Last edited by apololaceymom; 09-20-2012 at 08:18 PM.
apololaceymom is offline  
post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-21-2012, 06:25 AM
Senior Member
 
BennyBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 258
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 0 Times in 0 Posts
We got Benny at 8 weeks and my goal was the same as yours... only go outside!

We had two crates for him - one in the kitchen and one in our bedroom. The kitchen was fenced off so he could not get into too much trouble, but even then, if we could not watch him, he was in his crate.

When they are so young, they don't have great bladder control, so up until 12 weeks, we spent a lot of time outside. He still had accidents here and there, but once 12 weeks hit, it was like someone flipped a switch, and he was able to hold it and the accidents all but stopped.

He learned very young to sit by the door to go out - we always bring him out the same door, so maybe that helped. Most of his accidents can be blamed on us not realizing he was sitting there, so now he barks! Smart boy!

Benny NEVER EVER had one accident in his crate - not even when he was tiny tiny. We followed the "one hour for each month of age" rule and it worked great. However, over night, he was able to go from 11 pm to 6 pm by 12 weeks - no problem.

Puppies sleep so much and mine loved his crate. In fact, I just looked over and he is in his crate right now - he goes in all on his own. When I go out, he goes in his crate willingly and when I come home he takes his sweet time waking up and coming out - it's very cute.

Benny is 7 months now and has trained beautifully!

BENNY

Last edited by BennyBoy; 09-21-2012 at 06:43 AM.
BennyBoy is offline  
post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-21-2012, 06:27 AM
Senior Member
 
BennyBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 258
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by TilliesMom View Post
you live in New York, right?? I would think you MOST def. would want to train your pup to an indoor option... we live in Northern California and I WISH Tillie had been trained to an indoor option...
Would you feel the same way if her dog was 60lbs?

Although small, Havanese are dogs and should not be peeing and pooping in the house.. or apartment.

BENNY
BennyBoy is offline  
post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-21-2012, 06:30 AM
Senior Member
 
BennyBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 258
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Submissions 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by narci View Post
Now at little over 1 year, Oreo only goes outside. We feed him on a schedule so we know when he needs to poop. He eats at 7:45am and 5:30pm. His poop times are 9:30am and 7:30pm. He pees 3 times a day.
Bravo! A schedule is key!

BENNY
BennyBoy is offline  
post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 09-21-2012, 07:23 AM
Metrowest, MA
 
krandall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 23,462
Submit Photo: 6
Photo Submissions 296 Times in 294 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyBoy View Post
Would you feel the same way if her dog was 60lbs?

Although small, Havanese are dogs and should not be peeing and pooping in the house.. or apartment.
You are welcome to your opinion. I don't have. Large dog and I don't want a large dog. Although Kodi mostly goes outside, I very much appreciate that he has and will use an indoor option on those snow mornings before the plow has come.


Karen, Kodi, Pixel and Panda
(ARCHMX Starborn Kodak Moment CGC, NTD, BN, PCD, NA, NAJ, CDX-CCH, RE, RLV, RL1X3, RL2X4, RL3X3...
plus Starborn's Picture Perfect & Nauti Herd Compact Flash RN, CGC, NTD, SN-C, RL1)






krandall is offline  
Reply

Tags
crate training , new puppy , potty training

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome