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neutering our male Hav

We have 2 females [non havi] that have been fixed...We have mixed feelings about our female Siberian now....She is one of the most beautiful Siberians we have ever seen...it`s just not us saying it many have commented... she`s perfect in every way and have had many offers to breed with her but she`s been fixed...We think we made a big mistake doing it...she`s show quality but we never intended to show her... now we think we would have loved to have one of her puppies...

Our male Hav is 4 months and pure bred and we need to decide what we are going to do...Is there any problems having 2 fixed female adult dogs and our Hav not fixed...Is there anything I need to take under consideration...Kathy
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With males if you want to breed with them, you would want to show him and put titles on him to show he is worthy to breed from and to attract the attention of responsible female owners who want to better the breed, not just make puppies. The reason why the burden is heavier on the male is BC unlike females, they have the potential to make a lot of puppies, so they have to be exceptional. No owner of a well bred female is going to pay a stud fee for an untitled male. However, in the case of your husky, since she comes from show lines you probably would have been able to convince the owner of a titled show husky stud to breed your female. Stud fees run about the cost of a puppy, so around $1500-$2000ish. Less than that, and you're likely getting into backyard breeding territory. So unless you plan to show him to championship, you will be attracting the wrong type of people and dogs if you decide to breed him.
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Besides all the points that Angela has made, there are a few more. Do you have full AKC registration on your pup? Most pups that are sold by reputable breeders are sold with limited refistration, which means you could not register any puppies bred from them. Also, most puppies from reputable breeders are sold with a spay/neuter contract. Do you have the right NOT to neuter your pup?

Finally, if you have full registration on your pup and your contract from your breeder allows you to NOT neuter him, there are still some steps you need to take. As well as showing him to his championship, you will have to have all the proper testing done to make sure he is fit to be a sire. He will need x-rays of his knees, hips and elbows, heart exam, liver panel, CERF (eyes) and BAER (hearing) testing. The x-rays cannot be completed before he is 2 years old, and his joints have fully developed. You should also, during that period, get "soaps"... Photos of him wet and slicked down with soap, so that someone very knowlegable about Havanese conformation can tell you whether he is a good candidate for breeding. (that adorable fluffy coat can hide a multitude of sins when it comes to conformation!!!).

There's an awful lot that goes into breeding if you do it right, and only people who do it right should be doing it at all.


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Thanks to both of you for your replies...

I have a aunt that bred/showed Afgans since the 70`s...she`s 92 now and not able to discuss most anything...but seeing what it takes to show/breed dogs...assured us "that life" wasn`t for us..so all our dogs are purchased for pets

My thoughts above we`re just "thinking out-loud" we are not sure what the relationships between our 3 dogs will be and that`s the most important part...2 fixed females and one un-fixed male...we haven`t had males [until kodi] for 25 years so we don`t know... without him being neutered... how he will react to our females...

Neither of us knew how lovable the Havanese breed would be and we love everything about our Kodi sans the difficulty of his peeing so frequently haha...we just thought it would be nice to have a pup of his...All of our previous males were neutered and it`s likely our Kodi will be also...and maybe all this is wishful thinking...

The breeder of Kodi is just a breeded we ran across at a show and we really don`t know what their qualifications are [I konw that`s dumb but that`s the way it is]...Kodi has a lineage but it`s of no interest to us...for obvious reasons....We just saw Kodi and it was as simple as that... he was ours...

Anyway thanks for all your efforts explaining all the details...Kathy
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Thanks to both of you for your replies...

I have a aunt that bred/showed Afgans since the 70`s...she`s 92 now and not able to discuss most anything...but seeing what it takes to show/breed dogs...assured us "that life" wasn`t for us..so all our dogs are purchased for pets

My thoughts above we`re just "thinking out-loud" we are not sure what the relationships between our 3 dogs will be and that`s the most important part...2 fixed females and one un-fixed male...we haven`t had males [until kodi] for 25 years so we don`t know... without him being neutered... how he will react to our females...

Neither of us knew how lovable the Havanese breed would be and we love everything about our Kodi sans the difficulty of his peeing so frequently haha...we just thought it would be nice to have a pup of his...All of our previous males were neutered and it`s likely our Kodi will be also...and maybe all this is wishful thinking...

The breeder of Kodi is just a breeded we ran across at a show and we really don`t know what their qualifications are [I konw that`s dumb but that`s the way it is]...Kodi has a lineage but it`s of no interest to us...for obvious reasons....We just saw Kodi and it was as simple as that... he was ours...

Anyway thanks for all your efforts explaining all the details...Kathy
Yeah, it rally sounds like you should neuter Kodi, based on what you've told us. Wanting a puppy of his isn't a good reason to breed a dog. More importantly, you'd never get the owner of a good quality Hav to breed to him without doing all the things we've talked about. If you just breed him to any old puppy mill female whose owner "just wants a litter of puppies", you may not get anything as sweet as the pup you were lucky to get this time. Worse, you could be breeding yourself a lot of heartache, with genetically based health problems in the puppies.

Please do yourself AND Kodi a favor and neuter him. If you decide you want another wonderful Havanese puppy in the future, it doesn't HAVE to be related to him to be wonderful! Find yourself a good breeder with a proven track record, and let them help match you with a puppy perfect for you human and dog family. It really is a lot less expensive that way too!


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Yeah, it rally sounds like you should neuter Kodi, based on what you've told us. Wanting a puppy of his isn't a good reason to breed a dog. More importantly, you'd never get the owner of a good quality Hav to breed to him without doing all the things we've talked about. If you just breed him to any old puppy mill female whose owner "just wants a litter of puppies", you may not get anything as sweet as the pup you were lucky to get this time. Worse, you could be breeding yourself a lot of heartache, with genetically based health problems in the puppies.

Please do yourself AND Kodi a favor and neuter him. If you decide you want another wonderful Havanese puppy in the future, it doesn't HAVE to be related to him to be wonderful! Find yourself a good breeder with a proven track record, and let them help match you with a puppy perfect for you human and dog family. It really is a lot less expensive that way too!
We basically made the decision to have Kodi neutered but I wanted to make sure and thought "this is a great place to ask the question"
to see if we thought of everything...

I`ve been reading your threads since coming here and have to say you are a valued part of this forum....Well written.. factual and to the point...

Regarding acquiring another Hav at some point... you`re right...actively looking for a quality breeder would be the way to do it...Frankly I don`t know much about Kodi`s breeder everything happened so fast....Anyway we`re more than happy with Kodi...

Actually I`m way ahead of myself... the area we live in has a limit of 3 dogs and we are at the limit now so unless we move...[that`s likely] we have our team for now...Thanks again Kathy
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We basically made the decision to have Kodi neutered but I wanted to make sure and thought "this is a great place to ask the question"
to see if we thought of everything...

I`ve been reading your threads since coming here and have to say you are a valued part of this forum....Well written.. factual and to the point...

Regarding acquiring another Hav at some point... you`re right...actively looking for a quality breeder would be the way to do it...Frankly I don`t know much about Kodi`s breeder everything happened so fast....Anyway we`re more than happy with Kodi...

Actually I`m way ahead of myself... the area we live in has a limit of 3 dogs and we are at the limit now so unless we move...[that`s likely] we have our team for now...Thanks again Kathy
And being in love with your Kodi is what matters most of all! Enjoy him!!!


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