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Aaaannddd...cue the neurotic mom posts!

Okay, our first 18 hours with Tux have been *marvelous.* I honestly couldn't have imagined it going any better. Tux has only had one accident, and I can easily say that was my fault. He slept like a dream in his crate (in our room) from 10:30 - 4:30. Went out and went straight to the bathroom. When I brought him back in and put him in his crate, he wasn't very happy. I moved him to the family room where he would wake the kids, and he settled down after about three or four minutes of whining. He napped until 6:30 when he and the kids both woke up. Took him out but no elimination.

He's eaten his breakfast from his treat-dispensing toy, and we've attempted to eliminate once again with no success. He's currently crated, and I'll be taking him out again in another minute or two. (At this point, it's been three hours since he last eliminated *and* he's eaten breakfast, so I know he needs to go soon.)

So, here are my neurotic questions:

1. We live in Indiana. It's ridiculously cold for April...30-40 degrees. Poor Tux is shakin' like a leaf when he's out there. Do you think the cold distracts him from eliminating, or should I just ignore it?

2. Tux has some tiny flakes on his hair...like miniature human dandruff. Is that normal or is that something I need to address? He's itching like a mad man around his collar area.

3. I hate not being able to see his precious eyes. Is it okay to have a groomer trim his eye hairs back so that I can see him (and, presumably) he can see me?

4. Is there a typical "cycle" for an 8 week old Hav puppy? i.e. Eat, Potty, Play (15-20 minutes), Potty, Sleep (1 hour), Potty, Play (15-20 minutes), Potty?

Any other tips to help us get off on the right foot right from the start?
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I'm sure others will chime in soon but
1.Get him a little coat/sweater,of course he will grow out of it but it may help.
2. Dandruff can be stress related,probably normal but keep an eye on it.
3. You can do what ever you like with his coat,sometimes the hair is just growing through a stage and gets better with time.
4. I have no idea what is typical.Sounds like you are doing a great job. Keep taking him out often to the same spot (in general) for potty.

Don't worry it all comes together eventually! HAHA having two kids you know,you try to have a schedule AND then you just roll with it. ENJOY!

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Jody I agree with you totally. We got Timmy in January, if it was only a qiick trip out I didn't put a coat on him. I would get a light fleece coat for him, one less thing to worry about. He could be shaking because he's scared Timmy trembled, and still trembles but he's a wimp. There are LOTS of new smells out there. I know nothing about the dandruff, but his scratching could be him getting used to the collar. We started Timmy out with a cloth/mesh harness, you might want to try that. As for schedules, it's very individual, but you must stick to your schedule taking him out and feeding him. It sounds like you're doing a great job. Don't forget your little guy is going through a huge change which inadvertently causes stress. Keep loving him and giving him positive experiences and he'll do great. We were all neurotic when we brought our furballs home, but this forum is so good about calming your nerves and knowing there is light at the end of the tunnel. Keep us posted no such thing as a dumb question!

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I think Jenny and Jody have answered you well. I think that, just like children, puppies are individuals, and all have slightly different schedules. You will figure him out over the next couple of weeks!

As far as the dandruff is concerned, I hope you have already made a well puppy visit for him with the vet on Monday? (you should do this ASAP, whenever you bring a new puppy home). If so, I'd mention it to the vet. Itching can be anything from fleas to allergies, to nerves to not liking his new collar. You can easily test this last one by taking the collar off when he's in the house and see if he scratches less. Another possibility is that most breeders give the pup a bath shortly before sending them home, so they are nice and fluffy for the new owner. There is always the possibility that he didn't get rinsed well enough, and that is making him itchy.

As far as his facial hair is concerned, do you plan to keep him in a puppy cut or grow him out? If you want him in long coat, you probably want to leave the hair around his eyes alone. Yes, it goes through an awkward stage where you can't see their eyes, but when it grows longer, it will start to lay down out of its own weight. The problem with cutting it is that then you are stuck cutting it frequently, to keep it short enough that the little pokey ends don't bother his eyes.

Also, if I remember right, you got Tux from a good, reputable breeder. If so, do CALL her if you have questions regarding training and especially health. (like the itching and dandruff) Your breeder can be a font of information, and has a vested interest in making sure things go smoothly for "her" puppy in his new home. No one knows that puppy the way she does!

Finally, you might want to consider an indoor potty option for your puppy. Many of us use one form or another. Kodi has a litter box, and many other people here use the UgoDog. These dogs invariably, eventually want to go outside most of the time. But an indoor potty can be VERY convenient in bad weather or if you have to leave the dog alone for an extended period. Once the pup knows how to use it, it's also a great back-up for times when you "miss" reading the "I need to go out" signs. A pup without an appropriate indoor option will need to find SOMEPLACE to relieve himself... usually someplace that's hard to clean up! If he has a litter box (or what have you) he can get himself to the "right" place without your help.


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I live in Cleveland and it gets very cold here too. Especially when the winds come whipping in across the lake. I have several sweaters for Maya and even a winter coat to double up on those frigid days. She gets chilled very quickly and will tremble. Doesn't seem to distract frm her peeing tho. What does is when it is raining . Little princess can't get wet even tho she loves running through streams and ponds.
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Living in Indiana, I would DEFINITLY want an indoor potty option. You would want to train him 100% to that to begin with... he WILL naturally go potty outdoors when he has the chance, but having that indoor option is invaluable.

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Sounds like you're doing great. We brought Julie home in January and went with the indoor potty option, expecting to expand to outdoors when it got warmer. We're about ready to cross-train her. Her poop schedule matched the feeding schedule once she had been home a day or two and everything was consistent. We did just like the book said - provided opportunities for potty after every time the pup wakes up, plays, eats. I want to see Julie's eyes but we're going through the grow out period. Counting the days till it lays down stylishly, goes into a pigtail or cut into bangs.
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Thanks for all of your input! Tux is doing *great* with outdoor training. He's only had three total accidents inside, and all three of those have been on the astroturf that I bought to put in his ex pen. He hasn't soiled his crate a single time yet, and we're hoping to keep it that way.

I'm nervous about training him for an indoor spot. My grandma tried to do that with her Maltese, and that darn puppy ended up using the entire apartment as her "indoor spot." Are there any good training articles or videos about how to train a dog to use an indoor option?
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Our pups never wear their collars at home,as later on when his coat thickens up it will probably matt.Tux might have had a special bath just before you picked him up from the breeder,so the scratching/dandruff could be down to that.If worried give the breeder a call.

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Thanks for all of your input! Tux is doing *great* with outdoor training. He's only had three total accidents inside, and all three of those have been on the astroturf that I bought to put in his ex pen. He hasn't soiled his crate a single time yet, and we're hoping to keep it that way.

I'm nervous about training him for an indoor spot. My grandma tried to do that with her Maltese, and that darn puppy ended up using the entire apartment as her "indoor spot." Are there any good training articles or videos about how to train a dog to use an indoor option?
I don't know about videos, but Tom King is sort of the "master". Starborn puppies all come pretty well confirmed on an indoor potty system. I know it is his feeling that their puppy buyers who insist on the puppy ONLY pottying outside have more accidents and have it take longer than people who give the puppy an indoor potty spot. If you do a search on the forum, you should find LOTS of his posts on the subject.

Some breeds are harder to train than others, and my impression is that Maltese, Yorkies and Chihuahuas are among the hardest. OTOH, this may be partly because so many of them come from puppy mill and BYB situations, where they haven't had a proper start in life.

Also, no matter what the breed, the puppy can't eliminate in places he's not allowed to go. So a BIG part of potty training is keeping the puppy confined to an area that is small enough for them to be as close to 100% successful as you can manage.

As far as the astro-turf is concerned, I was afraid that would happen. If I were you, I'd get rid of it ASAP. A number of potty systems use this as the material to train the puppy to potty on, just because it does seem to attract that kind of attention. I wouldn't recommend using it for this purpose, however. I tried a fake grass potty, and it very quickly became IMPOSSIBLE to get the smell out enough that I was willing to have it in my house. That seems to have been the experience of just about everyone on the forum who has tried it.


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