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"Terrible Twos" or Something Wrong - Need Advice

Gibbs turned 12 weeks on Saturday and all training seems to have taken a few steps back.

1. We were at 2 straight days with no peeing or pooping in the house, not even in the "allowable" spots. He had rung the bell everytime he needed to pee and poo. Now he doesn't seem to care where he goes.

2. He is starting to growl at Dana and I if he doesn't get his way - which includes chewing on the puppy pads, his toy basket, etc.

3. On only three separate occasions, we gave him a very small piece of "adult" food as a treat. Now he growls at us if when we don't give him any and immediately pees.

4. Last night he nipped me on the nose when I went to give him a kiss.


I'm open to all suggestions.

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Others will respond I am certain, but Gibbs is testing the limits and reactions to his behavior. At 12 weeks, he is testing you and you need to handle this appropriately so that Gibbs understands that this behavior isn't acceptable. If Gibbs is your first puppy you would probably benefit from working with a positive method professional trainer for at least a few sessions. This would help you learn techniques and strategies that could help correct behaviors that you don't want and learn to teach behaviors that you do want. For instance, any nipping = ignoring (placing in expen or crate for a brief timeout). Growling can be playful but can also be a warning so the specific circumstances are going to dictate how you handle this. That is why working with a trainer who can be with you and observe the circumstances in which these behaviors occur would be the most helpful.


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I got worried when you said, "if he doesn't get his way". Do you always give him what he wants? You need to establish rules, supervise Gibbs very carefully, and make sure he knows you are his master.


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I got worried when you said, "if he doesn't get his way". Do you always give him what he wants? You need to establish rules, supervise Gibbs very carefully, and make sure he knows you are his master.
No, that's just it. Up until two days ago, no meant no. If he started to chew something, a stern "NO" and he would stop. Now, he growls and chews it anyway. I phyiscally remove him from the object and he nips at my hand when I pick him up.

I was clearly his "Pack Leader" until Monday. Now he's challenging me and my "NO's" have to be getting louder and he's getting more "time-outs".

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He may need to go for a vet check to see if he is okay. Mine have never acted that way towards me.

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Good point Suzi, especially since he's peeing so much.

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Good point Suzi, especially since he's peeing so much.
Please elaborate because I notice he can hold his pee overnight for up to 7 1/2 hours, but pees during the day at least 6 times. I was assuming he's simply trying to maximize his treats and/or attention.

He rings his bell whenever Dana and I sit down to eat or are otherwise occupied, but still can find a way to squeeze out some pee.

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That doesn't sound too unusual. Zelda starts behaving like that when she's tired. Kind of like a cranky toddler who insists she isn't sleepy. We just do the time-out in the pen method, then let her try again. If she persists, then she stays in the pen and usually falls right asleep. Sometimes I can also curb the crazy by holding her Himalayan chew on my lap. If that's what she needs, she will immediately settle in and chew it as long as I'm willing to hold it (she can chew on her own but she doesn't settle down as well when it keeps falling).

For the potty issue, he may just be too young for that much responsibility to self-monitor.


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To add to what others have said, if you havent already, enroll in puppy K and find a positive based dog trainer. These dogs respond best to being told what you want versus what you dont want. For example when I took my puppy to puppy K they told us not to use the word "No" but rather divert them away from the behavior and give them something else to do. For example, with toys you teach "drop it" and then throw it or whatever.

With the peeing, take him outside more often. The bell ringing is tricky. With my dog he seemed to "get it" really fast, but then we had setbacks. Either he'd ring the bell to go outside because he wanted to walk around, or he wouldnt ring it all and sit next to it!

The nipping and growling, in many cases that's how they play although it can seem aggressive. It gets better but again, you have to divert them to something else. My dog trainer suggested that if our puppy nips, to just walk off, kind of a "if you're going to do that I am not playing with you." This does seem to work. Also a lot of chew toys!

How much exercise is he getting? I have a boy and he is very high energy. If he doesnt get a decent walk (make that walks) that's when I find him going for my shoes etc.

You'll get more responses, krandall and dgabby will have very good suggestions in addition to what's already been posted. I dont think any of this is abnormal and he isnt doing it to spite you, although it may seem that way! I think sometimes because they do learn so fast, we expect more out of them. It has helped a ton to go to our local dog training club for classes. Not only does he learn and have things to do, we can ask the trainers for help with any problems.
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No, that's just it. Up until two days ago, no meant no. If he started to chew something, a stern "NO" and he would stop. Now, he growls and chews it anyway. I phyiscally remove him from the object and he nips at my hand when I pick him up.

I was clearly his "Pack Leader" until Monday. Now he's challenging me and my "NO's" have to be getting louder and he's getting more "time-outs".
"Pack Leader" is a meaningless term. It is based on totally outdated ideas on how WOLF packs behaved, and even for wolves has been totally de-bunked.

If saying "No!" works for a while with a young puppy, it is because it startles the puppy out of whatever it was doing,not because it has the SLIGHTEST idea what the word means. No what? Sitting on this rug? Putting this in my mouth? Peeing? Peeing where? You don't want me to pee in front of you?

You get my drift. "No" is not NEARLY enough information, and puppies don't understand WORDS for a long time. You establish a behavior FIRST, then put a word cue on it later. So when you want to teach a puppy not to do something, you teach them what you DO want to do (an acceptable replacement behavior) first.

For instance, no puppy will understand, "Puppy, stop chewing my shoe!". Any puppy will understand it if you hand them a yummy Kong full of goodness, and simply take the shoe away when their attention is diverted. EVENTUALLY they will learn the acceptable things to chew, and will leave YOUR things alone. The same premise goes for teaching acceptable potty habits.

HOWEVER, a 12 week old puppy is still an infant. It takes a year or more of good, consistent teaching to to get the average puppy to the point that they have consistently acceptable house manners. Also, learning is not linear, in children or in dogs. There will always be peaks and valleys. If your training practices are good, being consistent and patient will get you through the valleys. If you're not SURE of your training strategies, get the help of a good POSITIVE based trainer. ...and please don't follow TV advice on raising puppies.


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