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I recently adopted a 4 month old puppy. He came from a litter of 5. He, as well as a sibling were with mom up to 4 months. He is also accustomed to being around the breeders other dogs. Today, we went for a walk and met a Pekingese and ****zu mix that was 5 months old. He was all over the place, really excited, and ready to play with Max. Max shyed pulled back on his harness and shyed away....making it very apparent that he did not want to interact. I actually had to pick Max up...at that point he was fine. He was the middle of the rode, laid back puppy...at least that's what I was told....but after today....I think Max was more of the quiet, shy puppy. On the flip side, I am happy that we do not have a puppy like the one we encountered today....just too much energy and my son would definitely be afraid of him....but on the flip side I don't want to be out and my dog is the one that takes off running. I do not think he was properly socialized either....as we walk through the neighborhood he stops and looks at people in there yard as if to say "what are they"? When we encounter people and they want to rub him....his first instinct is to run...he will let them rub and pick him up, but his initial instinct is to always take a few steps back. We have passed that critical socialization window....so I'm not sure what I can do other than love him and make sure that my next havanese comes from a different breeder......or this could simply be genetic makeup. Any thoughts?
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Good morning and welcome to the forum! You have found a wealth of information here on this forum. How exciting to have a precious Havanese, please post pictures.

Two years ago I went to pick out my "therapy" dog (Havanese 10 weeks old). Personality was EVERYTHING to me as I had a specific purpose for this dog I was getting. However, I took my 17 year old daughter with me and she fell in love with the "underdog/shy/somewhat withdrawn/very sweet" puppy. I have never been able to say no to my daughter and the puppy definately needed us. So we got the shy one.

You may have missed the "critical" socialization period for a PUPPYU but you have a DOG that has 10-15 years left of critical socializtion periods. Start now. Reward for any tail wag when it sees people. Reward curiosity. Teach her obedience commands to give her confidence. I now have my obedience dog. She seeks people and loves to be pet, especially her tummy.

You'll be okay.
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As Dian said, it's never too late to start. But your job will be harder. You will need to have MANY more positive social interactions for your pup... and that DOESN'T mean forcing them on him. You probably should find a good trainer and older puppy class to help you learn how to appropriately socialize your puppy, both to other people AND to dogs. If you don't get that started NOW (and with intensity) you COULD find ourself with a dog-rective dog later, or worse, a fear biter. That's worst-case scenario, but I want to make it clear to you HOW important it is to get that serious socialization going NOW.


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I know I read somewhere that Havies can be reserved. Timmy is very reserved, especially with people. He was a very shy puppy, which I knew from the start. I dumped him into Puppy K and any other opportunites to socialize him. I know Max is older but you can definitely help to bring him out of his shell, it will take persistence but the rewards are priceless. I had thoughts of doing therapy work with Tim but I don't think he'll be happy in that situation. I think he "could" do therapy work but they really have to "love" the opportunity and I think it would stress him out. I have recently decided that I will work on Rally or Obedience with him which I can tell he really likes to do. Timmy has turned into a great little guy and I bring him anywhere I can, via plane, long drives or even strolls through town or a park. Keep giving Max opportunities to experience different things, he might just end of being a reserved guy, which isn't such a bad thing, Timmy never jumps up on anyone and they think he's such a well behaved guy.

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I know I read somewhere that Havies can be reserved. Timmy is very reserved, especially with people. He was a very shy puppy, which I knew from the start. I dumped him into Puppy K and any other opportunites to socialize him. I know Max is older but you can definitely help to bring him out of his shell, it will take persistence but the rewards are priceless. I had thoughts of doing therapy work with Tim but I don't think he'll be happy in that situation. I think he "could" do therapy work but they really have to "love" the opportunity and I think it would stress him out. I have recently decided that I will work on Rally or Obedience with him which I can tell he really likes to do. Timmy has turned into a great little guy and I bring him anywhere I can, via plane, long drives or even strolls through town or a park. Keep giving Max opportunities to experience different things, he might just end of being a reserved guy, which isn't such a bad thing, Timmy never jumps up on anyone and they think he's such a well behaved guy.
I'm thrilled to hear that you are going to do Rally and Obedience with Timmy, but don't count therapy dog stuff out in the long run if you are interested in it. I thought the same as you when Kodi was Timmy's age... (he'd do it but he wouldn't love it) but recently, I've seen a surprising (at least to me) side of him. In 3 separate instances, when we've been with people who could use some support, (twice with elderly people, and once with a client/mother in my office, who was distraught about what was happening to her son at school, Kodi has shown and amazing ability to read people and figure out, all on his own, what they needed.

Normally, when clients come to my office, Kodi greets them, says hi, then goes into his crate to sleep through our (boring ) meeting. When this distraught mom came in, he INSISTED on getting up on the couch beside her. I asked her if that was OK, because I don't assume my clients want to deal with a dog, but she seemed tickled that he wanted to sit with her. He just lay there, snuggled up as close as he could get beside her, something he NEVER does with me during the day. She kept stroking him, almost unconsciously, as we talked about what her son needed.

With the two elderly people, one of whom is a professed "cat lover who doesn't care for dogs," he jumped up beside them, tail at its waggy-flaggy best, and then rolled on his back beside them, TONS of eye contact, just BEGGING for a belly rub. Who could resist? And after they felt how soft he was, it was all over. Within minutes, his head was in their laps, adoring eyes gazing up at them, and they were his.

I've known for some time that he is exceptionally capable when it comes to reading (and projecting) dog body language. He is amazingly adept at putting fearful dogs at ease, or diffusing tense situations. (really good skills for a little dog to have!!!) But it was only recently that I've seen this ability of his to read people, even ones he doesn't know, well too. I've changed my mind. I think that he might very much enjoy being a therapy dog, especially for the elderly, once his competitive career starts to wind down!

So don't count Timmy out. He's still very young. He has great manners, and you've done a good job socializing him. Let him lead the way, and you may find as he matures that HE is more interested in making contact with people in need. If not, as you say, you've still got a dog who is a dream to travel with, and live with... most people's "dream dog"!


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Oh gosh I'm not ruling anything out with him, he's changed a ton even is his short life. I've just learned that I need to be in tune with what "he" wants to do and not what "I" want him to do, or even what I think is best for him. Bottom line is if he's not enjoying what he's doing then I'm not either. As much as I would like to do therapy work with him I need to feel that he's comfortable doing it. I do know that he is great with reading people in an informal type of setting. He is great with little kids who are scared of dogs, by the time he's done interacting with most of these kids, gentle, calm and cuddly, I hear them walking away asking if they can get a dog. He is great about showing when he's stressed between panting, yawning and drooling that can normally tell quite early when it's best to move onto something different. I'm in no hurry to jump into anything I'm enjoying the journey, he's a fun little guy.
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Oh gosh I'm not ruling anything out with him, he's changed a ton even is his short life. I've just learned that I need to be in tune with what "he" wants to do and not what "I" want him to do, or even what I think is best for him. Bottom line is if he's not enjoying what he's doing then I'm not either.
That's the attitude I wish EVERYONE had about their dog!!!


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Thank you all so much for the words of encouragement. We will be away on vacation next week. My sister will be babysitting Mack. She is much more of a social butterfly than myself..so I am sure Mack will get more socialization than he can imagine while with her. I will enroll him in a puppy training class upon my return. He is such a sweetheart. He would be perfectly content if the world only consisted of US!
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Thank you all so much for the words of encouragement. We will be away on vacation next week. My sister will be babysitting Mack. She is much more of a social butterfly than myself..so I am sure Mack will get more socialization than he can imagine while with her. I will enroll him in a puppy training class upon my return. He is such a sweetheart. He would be perfectly content if the world only consisted of US!
I have a different perspective on this. Unless your sister is very dog savy , I wouldn't ask her to "socialize" Mack under the current circumstances. I would talk to a trainer to see what they think. Sometimes "socialization" done wrong can do more harm than good. http://caninesinaction.com/2012/08/w...ur-dog-part-1/ And part two http://blog.caninesinaction.com/2012...ur-dog-part-2/

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I have a different perspective on this. Unless your sister is very dog savy , I wouldn't ask her to "socialize" Mack under the current circumstances. I would talk to a trainer to see what they think. Sometimes "socialization" done wrong can do more harm than good. http://caninesinaction.com/2012/08/w...ur-dog-part-1/ And part two http://blog.caninesinaction.com/2012...ur-dog-part-2/
I agree! I got confused for a moment, because I thought I'd posted about not "forcing" Gibbs into situations to try to socialize him, but then couldn't find my post. I realized that I put it in the "Poor Gibbs" thread. And while I tried to explain a way to start allowing Gibbs to become comfortable around other dogs, I didn't explicitly write (and now realize it could be mis-understood) that Gibbs would have to be loose, and free to get away from the big dog, even when the big dog is down and not actively trying to interact with him. It has to be HIS choice to move toward the bigger dog and investigate him. That's why it needs to be a big, relaxed, "I don't care" breed/individual to start with.

Dave, if you didn't see the other thread, it sounds like the trainer they are working with acted appropriately by intervening when Gibbs got scared by a friendly, bigger dog. It seems like this trainer will be a good resource for Gibbs' "parents" as they work toward socializing him. I think it's SO important for people who are experienced enough to both understand AND "read" dog behavior to help in a situation like this. It's really easy to over-face a dog (or other animal!) without even realizing you're doing it, and it can be a lot harder to fix that later on than it is to avoid the problems to start with.


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