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Leaving Mucho alone - crying

Hi again! I'm starting a new thread about Mucho (you can see the introduction here: http://www.havaneseforum.com/showthread.php?t=31458 )...

We left him alone today again for 30 minutes (just enough to go outside to pick up my GF). I went through the same ritual: Setup expen, put pee pad down, water bowl, bed. Put a stuffed kong inside and let Mucho in, leave the house while he is busy with the Kong.

However, this time, I setup an app called iCam that streams a webcam to your iPhone and I was keeping an eye on him.

What a racket he made! He was whimpering, barking, howling, throwing himself on the xpen, was very restless for the whole 30 minutes.

Obviously we were devastated as we thought he was OK staying alone for such a short time.

I've read a ton of advice on how to address this kind of behaviour, just wondering if someone has some havanese-specific advice or some kind of similar situation where you work from home and your Hav is *really* attached to you.
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We are going through this now. We have been working our pup up a little at a time and today was over 3 hours left alone. We put in a stuffed kong and she was interested for 3 minutes in it until she realized we were gone and she exhibited the same behavior you described.
Someone suggested to leave an article of clothing in her crate that I had recently worn. I took an old t-shirt slept in in placed in under my pillow one night and left it in her crate. The next day she barked for 5 minutes, crawled into her crate, put her head on the t-shirt and stayed there for for 2 hours. No barking.
Yesterday, it calmed her for about 45 minutes then she barked for an hour , then calmed down for another 45 minutes.
Today, 5 mins of barking, 3 hours calm in her crate.

Worth a try.

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Ah, I've heard that before - I'll give it a go.

Are you crating Colbie or leaving her free roam of the house?

I've read that giving free roam of the house could increase the stress, but it seems that he was really anxious to leave his (small) xpen and search for us in the bedroom. He does that sometimes when I'm away and my GF is home.

The crate is in our bedroom, and it's a relatively safe place to leave him when we are gone - however, no potty access there. Should I give him free roam (bedroom, kitchen + living room) + potty access, without gating anything off?

Also, I'm curious - do you also have a surveillance system setup?
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Ah, I've heard that before - I'll give it a go.

Are you crating Colbie or leaving her free roam of the house?

I've read that giving free roam of the house could increase the stress, but it seems that he was really anxious to leave his (small) xpen and search for us in the bedroom. He does that sometimes when I'm away and my GF is home.

The crate is in our bedroom, and it's a relatively safe place to leave him when we are gone - however, no potty access there. Should I give him free roam (bedroom, kitchen + living room) + potty access, without gating anything off?

Also, I'm curious - do you also have a surveillance system setup?
Colbie has her crate available in the room but we keep the door to it open so she can go in or out. She is not ready to have free reign yet as she still thinks the carpet in the den is a big wee wee pad.
The room we put leave her in is relatively small (it is our laundry room) and gated on both ends. It has her crate, her pad, a water bowl, some toys, a stuffed kong, my t shirt and that is about it. It is monitored as well.
She doesn't seem very interested in the kong, even when when we are home.

Wherever you leave him I would recommend he has a place to rest (bed or crate), a place to relieve himself (pad or whatever indoor potty system you use) and plenty of water.

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I'm sure I'll be chiming in soon when Mae is screaming to get out of her expen too, but she has a big brother to hopefully keep her company. I use iCam too, well I haven't in quite a while but I did when Tim was younger. Did he end up calming down after the 30 minutes or did you come home? If you came home and immediately took him out you could be setting him up to carry on if he knows it brings you back. Do you leave the tv or radio on for him? I still do this with Tim, I ask him what he wants to watch I know it's so hard to hear them complain but if he did eventually calm down even if it took him 30 minutes it will dwindle down if he learns to comfort himself. I know easier said then done, remind me of this when I'm pouting about the same thing in a couple weeks!

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We'll run an experiment tonight, go out for 30 minutes while leaving TV on, smelly t-shirts, and a different enclosure area.

Let's hope it will be better... Meanwhile, tomorrow we both need to be gone for 9 hours which looks impossible to me. We could drop him off to some relatives but I'm not sure that's fair to Mucho or the relatives, 9 hours is still too much, and of course most places aren't puppy proof.

The fact is I can stay at home and skip the event I'd like to attend, but that seems unfair to me - though probably a reality with a young puppy at home.
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Make sure you tire him out before you leave him tonight, a long walk would be great. Yes unfortunately missing your event will probably be what you will have to do, one of the many sacrifices you signed up for when you got a dog, but I think they're worth it!

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We'll run an experiment tonight, go out for 30 minutes while leaving TV on, smelly t-shirts, and a different enclosure area.

Let's hope it will be better... Meanwhile, tomorrow we both need to be gone for 9 hours which looks impossible to me. We could drop him off to some relatives but I'm not sure that's fair to Mucho or the relatives, 9 hours is still too much, and of course most places aren't puppy proof.

The fact is I can stay at home and skip the event I'd like to attend, but that seems unfair to me - though probably a reality with a young puppy at home.
Yeah, this is the kind of decision we have to make all the time once we have kids, too. The good thing is that dogs grow up MUCH faster. IMO, 9 hours is too long for an adult dog to be left alone, let alone a puppy.

I am going out of town of a speaking engagement Thur-Sun. DAve will be home over the weekend of course, so those days aren't a problem. I had a friend who was going to take Kodi on Thurs and Fri., but she had a death in the family, and has to go down to Long Island and can't watch him. I scurried around last night, but was able to come up with someone who will come over with her small dog and let him out and let the two play for an hour or so in the middle of each day.

I know that when you first get a puppy, you haven't made those connections yet, which makes it harder. But that's what "puppy parenthood" is like Another option... Is it possibly that you could take him with you and keep him crated most of the time, just taking him out for occasional walks and potty breaks? We do that a LOT with Kodi. He'd rather be with us and confined than home alone. And, of course, by now, he's pretty much a model citizen, and welcome most places we go.


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We are taking him with us everywhere that dogs are allowed - he stays perfectly calm in our lap for hours at end. However I'm going to go in a museum space/day conference and I'm pretty sure dogs won't be allowed there. I might ring them first thing in the morning though to find out.
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Get another one!!

At the risk of really freaking you out, consider a second dog. Granted at times it mean double barking, and double destruction, more often than not, they are more comfortable with a second dog around.

My last Havanese (still not over his passing last March) did eventually grow out of crying etc. but it did take a few years. We tried putting our pup on the enclosed deck with screen doors, and a web cam. He took out the cameras and managed to get the doors open in about an hour. Should have named him Houdini! He is much better now that we have two of them. Though, they are little devils at times.
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