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Any experience with high liver counts?

I thought I would post this in a new thread because my previous one was about getting spayed.

Well, I took Junie to the vet this morning and dropped her off to be spayed. They called an hour later and told me her pre-surgery blood screening showed liver levels almost 3 times normal. They want to put her on a mild antibiotic and test again in 3 weeks. If the readings are still high, they would do more extensive testing. If not, they will spay her. She did not seem overly concerned and acted almost like this could be somewhat typical...but Im beside myself! My husband and I recently realized we have both been giving her a few chicken jerky treats each day (too much!) and Im hoping that was the cause. Maybe too much protein. Anyway, I was worried about the surgery and now it might end even worse. Any experience with something similar?

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I am so happy that you posted this thread. See my reply on the 'Nervous about procedure" post!

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I've read about dogs getting sick from jerky...not sure if related but thought I would throw it out there.

http://www.k9obedience.co.uk/dogheal...dogtreats.html
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There are several of us who have had dogs with high liver counts in a basic screening. There have been a couple very sick dogs, some with mild MVD, and some who have turned up perfectly healthy.

First of all I commend your vet and you for doing the pre-spay blood work. An dog should not have anesthesia when the screening numbers are elevated until a diagnosis is made or ruled out. Many vets do not routinely do do the bloodwork.

I would have her bile acids checked when whe has her next liver tests in 3 weeks.
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I sure am glad I insisted on the pre-surgery blood work. All of my Havanese research paid off...I even insisted on them gassing her to sleep instead of an injection. They are a great practice too, a little expensive, but seem to look out for the animal ahead of the money. I just met with the vet when I picked up Junie. She made me feel alot better. I said "please be honest, should I be worried?" She said no, they tend to error on the side of caution. She said in the case of liver disease or shunts, there are some other numbers in the bloodwork that would likely have been elevated (she talked about globulins and albumins and kind of lost me). She suspects an infection, so hopefully the antibiotics solve the problem. I will definitely ask about the bile acids at the next visit...thanks!
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Hi Kirsten,
I don't know much about the liver situation, but I wanted to suggest one thing to you. After the scare last year with the chicken jerky from China, a lot of us stopped using them. They were Brady's favorite treat and I felt terrible not giving them to him. There are no brands that are made in the US. There used to be one, but they shut down. I have now bought a dehydrator and make my own. Both of my boys go crazy over them and I know they are safe. It is really easy to make. Just thought you might want to consider this. I can tell how much you worry about your baby. I hope the liver thing is just an infection and passes quickly. I am sure you will get a lot more posts from people who have been in your situation.


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Hi Kirsten,
I have now bought a dehydrator and make my own. Both of my boys go crazy over them and I know they are safe. It is really easy to make. Just thought you might want to consider this.
Aha! I've been looking into this as well. What brand of dehydrator did you get? This is one of the first purchases DH has not given me the as long as I make jerky for him as well
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I have a Nesco. The one I got does not have a timer though. I would recommend getting one with a timer so you can leave it on and go to bed. I just slice the chicken very thin and lay it out on the trays. Then turn the dehydrator on and let it go on 160 degrees for 4 hours. The dogs lay next to it and wait the entire time. They love fresh jerky.


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Kirsten, I am glad the bloodwork was done, but yes it could be "normal" to have a high ALT level. Was it ALT or ALP that was high?

There is a very long thread on my experience with Ricky, though the beginning of it was quite scary. Nothing like what's going on with your Junie. Here it is: http://havaneseforum.com/showthread....ght=Hugs+Ricky

"Too much" protein doesn't cause liver and/or kidney issues, when the source is a good one, where they don't add too much bone to their kibble or treats. It's the high level of ash (from cooked down bone) that used to cause some health issues. That was years ago and isn't really an issue at all these days because most companies just know better. Not that I'd trust much coming from China or if the product is too cheap! So, don't worry about the protein amount.

Do let us know what happens next month. Cheryl is right about asking for a BAT as it can really tell how Junie's liver reacts after eating.




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