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Your opinion...cruel or not?

A friend of my husband's recently purchased a 3-month-old shih-tzu (from a petstore!) and are leaving it at home from 9-5 because everyone in the household is working. They leave him in an ex-pen with a bed, food/water, and peepad. They have set up a webcam so they can watch him throughout the day.

Is this acceptable? Maybe I'm just over-reacting, but I think this is cruel. Especially at such a young age too, only 3-months.

Please give me your opinions.
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Yes I personally think it is cruel, but I guess you have to give them points for leaving the pup in a place with pee pee pads, and water. I just think that the poor pup wont be very socialized.

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I don't think this is "cruel" because probably the majority of puppies in cities grow up this way, and most dogs turnout fine. They are providing all his physical needs, and if they socialize him on evenings or weekends, like at a puppy class, they would be giving him as much psychological support as possible given that they work full time. There were a couple puppies in Domino's class that lived this way, and they seemed well-adjusted.

However, they really shouldn't have gotten a puppy in the first place if everyone works full time. They are going to have a hard time housebreaking him.

Any "cruelty" going on here is that they are gone all day. Pens and crates are not cruel used properly, and it doesn't sound like they're abusing the pen.

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This is an issue along the same lines as putting your kids in daycare.
Not everyone has the opportunity to stay home, even part-time. Some of us have to have jobs to support our family.
Nobody should be made to feel guilty about putting their kids in daycare, or having to leave their dog home during the day.
Miley is home by herself during the day, either in a fenced-in backyard, or a gated area in the house (even when she was a small puppy). Her needs are met (food, water, shelter, toys), and she gets SO much love and playtime during the afternoon and evening hours. And she is housebroken and VERY well socialized.
I know dogs that are NEVER played with and left outside all day. I think that would fall more along the lines of NEGLECT, but not cruelty.
Don't make those of us that have to work feel like we are being CRUEL for leaving our dogs during the day.
Miley has a better life than a lot of kids I know....

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I go thru the same thing especially living in SC now where I am now really in the minority for what I do with my dogs. My neighbors now have 4 dogs and they are left outside all day and night. They occasionally go back and play with them- toss a frisbee with them for a little bit, they usually have food in a bowl and there is a dog house but when I feel really horrible is when I take Dash outside to do agility and all 4 of them sit along the fence and cry wanting to come over. They all happen to be working and hunting breeds too so dogs that really have the desire and need to work. I guess at least they do have each other to interact with. I think there are a lot of people who get dogs and forget how much care and interaction they need. I previously worked full time but made sure I dedicated a lot of time to my dogs when I wasn't at work. My husband has always had a job where he works from home quite a bit as well. I am not saying this to make people who work feel guilty. I am just saying a lot of people view what it means to own and take care of a dog quite differently than those of us on the forum.

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I don't think it's cruel. It's not ideal, but not cruel.

My son and his wife got a second dog so their first wouldn't be alone all day while they worked. The dogs did just fine. DS walked them everyday and they had each other to romp with. They got lots of love from DS and DDIL at night and on weekends..
Now, someone is home during the day, but they had that routine for 3 years.

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I don't think it's cruel. It's not ideal, but not cruel.
That was my initial response too.

It does seem like a bad idea to get a companion breed and keep them in solitary all day though.
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That was my initial response too.

It does seem like a bad idea to get a companion breed and keep them in solitary all day though.
What dog ISN'T a companion breed??? Don't ALL dogs like to be around people at all times?
I just think it's a "snobbish" thought process that if you "have to work from 9-5", you shouldn't be allowed to have a small dog.

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Thank you, I really appreciate everyone's perspective on this, it gives me an alternate way of thinking and I feel more reassured. This is the kind of feedback that I was looking for. It has definitely changed my use of the word "cruel" in this situation.

Thanks again.
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I have to agree with the majority here. It's not cruel. I would guess that more people than not have to work full time and have animals at home. My way of dealing with it years ago when I got my girls was to have two so they weren't lonely during the day till I could get home to take care of them. Now I have the luxury of working at home part time and at the office when I prefer, but when I am out for the whole day I never worry. They have each other to play with till I get home.

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