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Evey growling at Bentley

I have no idea if it is normal puppy play but Evye has been growling at Bentley if he tries to take her toy...a little bit ago it was he tried to take her piece of bark....there are only 60,000 pieces of it outside. With the toy, I took it from her, I told her it way my toy. I kept playing with it, tossing it and then I gave it to Bentley, finally gave it back to Evye. Had no clue if it was normal puppy interaction but I was trying to enforce, it's my toy...she can have it because I gave it to her. Do I back off and let them work it out, or nip it in the bud?

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I definitely think they need to work it out with you watching just to make sure no one gets hurt. Dogs establish their own boundaries, and unless it is out of hand, they will figure it out. If one starts to constantly bully the other, then you could intercede and correct the aggressiveness.

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Yes, back off and let them work it out. Kubrick will growl at Hithcock only once in a while about toys, but I let them work it out between each other (unless it becomes a worse problem, which it hasn't). Growling at ME when I take a toy away is what's not tolerated. I always make sure to praise a lot when I take a toy away so they know that it's a good thing to give me their toys. Neither Kubrick nor Hitchcock have ever growled at me for taking something away from them, and that's important, IMO. However, they can growl at each other as that's how they communicate pack status and "this is mine, that's yours." Whereas with me, EVERYTHING is mine.


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Oh, thank goodness and thank you !!! Reading Ian Dunbar's book, it started off by the owner not recognizing aggression and it worried me I would be too ingorant to recognize it if I saw it. I never heard Evye growl like that. Later in the day, the toy was fair game and she could have cared less if he took it. As I write this, they are under the coffee table try to claim that stupid piece of bark they insist on bringing in the house. Why do we spend money on toys???

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Dusty growls at Indie all the time over toys. It's never amounted to anything but more fun. Indie growls at her toys, and she'll growl at Dusty to try and get her to play. I just let them work it out.

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Reading Ian Dunbar's book, it started off by the owner not recognizing aggression and it worried me I would be too ingorant to recognize it if I saw it.
Sharlene, dog aggression is like an orgasm: If you are questioning if that was it, it wasn't. You will know the real thing. There is no mistaking it.

I don't mean to minimize Dr. Dunbar's observation, because I have no idea what the context of the comment was. Which book was it? Which chapter?

Except in rare situations, I let my dogs work out their differences.
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Sharlene, dog aggression is like an orgasm: If you are questioning if that was it, it wasn't. You will know the real thing. There is no mistaking it.

I don't mean to minimize Dr. Dunbar's observation, because I have no idea what the context of the comment was. Which book was it? Which chapter?

Except in rare situations, I let my dogs work out their differences.


So may I assume you know the difference then, Kimberly?

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Kimberly what an awesome answer.
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It was a great answer !!! But being so dog naive, I'll probably do much better with sex lessons.....i.e., if it looked like an orgasm it probably was aggression, if it didn't resemble the "O", it wasn't. Or do I have it backwards. This definitely did not look like an orgasm.

I think I definitely over-reacted. It was the first time I heard her growl at him that did not resemble play in any form. She clearly did not want him to have her toy and she was letting him know.

The book/chapter I was referring to was How To Teach A New Dog Old Tricks. Page 29. The Owner's Story. #4. "Rover was, at times, protective of his food, bones and toys." ......apprehensive in certain situations....easy to avoid and ignore.....until Rover unexpectedly bit the child."

Guess I took it way too literally. Evye only wishes Bentley would eat her food...then she wouldn't have to. I just needed reassurance to let them work it out (with supervision).

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sharlene kimberly wasn't referring to a dog's orgasm...
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